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your depression (if you have it)

I sent away to the herbalist for some ground ephedra-my ADD is what gets me spinning my wheels like the 8 of wands and thusly depresses me. I ran out-got to get some more ordered asap!
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and Acai Berry Juice (thanks V!)
although I think it might be the added gurana that perks me up
Quote:your depression (if you have it)

I sent away to the herbalist for some ground ephedra-my ADD is what gets me spinning my wheels like the 8 of wands and thusly depresses me. I ran out-got to get some more ordered asap!

Nothing has ever worked for me. Hemp helps me deal when i go through those spells but nothing has worked to break it.
St. John's Wort works for me. Good info here: http://www.all-natural.com/hyp-1.html

Although not well known in the United States until recently, researchers in Europe have been studying it for decades. Doctors in Germany have been prescribing it for depression and insurance companies have been paying for it. It has available in herb shops in Europe and the United States, but recently has been increasingly selling out as word has been getting around about it effectiveness. It comes in liquid, capsule and dried form.

Clinical Studies
Not long ago, experiments were done where mice infected with viruses similar to HIV were given St. John's Wort extract. The virus' progress was halted. This led to testing on human HIV and AIDS patients. The results are inconclusive, though anecdotal information reports a significant improvement in some patients.

St. John's Wort contains hypericin that inhibits monoamine oxidase, a bodily chemical associated with depression. It appears that hypericin does not act alone. Like many herbal medicines, St. John's Wort relies on the complex interplay of many constituents for its antidepressant actions. Patients suffering from depression received relief, increased appetite, more interest in life, greater self-esteem and restoration of normal sleeping patterns.

St. John's Wort is available as tea, tincture, decoction, oil, and in capsule form. Teas should be made with 1-2 cups of flowers per 1 cup of boiling water. This tea can be drunk three times daily. The dosage of the tincture is 1/4 to 1 teaspoon up to three times daily.

Perhaps most notable regarding St. John's Wort extract for depression has been favorable comparisons to standard prescription antidepressive drugs. These include maprotiline hydrochloride and imipramine.

In a multicenter trial, 135 patients with depression were given either St. John's Wort (900 mg/day) or imipramine (75 mg/day) for six weeks. Therapeutic success was determined using the HAMD, Clinical Global Impression (CGI), and Depression Scale according to Zerssen. HAMD score improved by 56% in the St. John's Wort group versus 45% for the imipramine group. Differences on the CGI and Zerssen scales were slightly better for St. John's Wort although not significantly different. Adverse reactions were reported in 16% of patients taking imipramine while only 12% of those taking St. John's Wort experienced side effects.

Precautions
Dr. Donald Brown of Bastyr University recommends that persons with fair skin avoid exposure to strong sunlight and other sources of ultraviolet light when taking St. John's Wort because of some cases of photosensitivity that have been reported. He also advises avoiding foods that contain tyramine, alcoholic beverages, and medications such as tyrosine, narcotics, amphetamines, and over-the-counter cold and flu remedies while taking St. John's Wort. St. John's Wort should not be taken while also taking prescription antidepressants. It is also Dr. Brown's opinion that St. John's Wort should not be used during pregnancy or lactation.

According to Jonathan Zuess, MD (author of The Natural Prozac Program), tyramine seems to primarily be a problem if a person has high blood pressure. This is due to St. John's Wort working in a similar way to drugs that are monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs).

However, studies done in the 1990's have shown that the MAOI-like effect of St. John's Wort is negligible when it's used in normal doses. So it is unlikely that it would react with tyramine. In Germany, where doctors have had the most experience with St. John's Wort, it is considered safe to use in patients with high blood pressure.

Nonetheless, if you have high blood pressure, and your doctor agrees to your use of St. John's Wort, the following precautions should be taken:

Have your blood pressure checked at least weekly for the first six weeks, and at least monthly thereafter.

Do not eat foods containing tyramine.


Even if you do not have high blood pressure, do not take St. John's Wort with amino acid supplements (especially phenylalanine and tyrosine). Amino acids are a form of monoamines, which can pose a danger when mixed with St. John's Wort. The monoamines that you get in your diet (such as the amino acids in meat) are less concentrated and are not a hazard. [...]
good one 2loose!

a lot of those power drinks have taurine and those other amino acids in them. I hadn't heard about that before.

Quote:Even if you do not have high blood pressure, do not take St. John's Wort with amino acid supplements (especially phenylalanine and tyrosine). Amino acids are a form of monoamines, which can pose a danger when mixed with St. John's Wort. The monoamines that you get in your diet (such as the amino acids in meat) are less concentrated and are not a hazard. [...]
Royal Jelly capsules 1000 milligrams. Imported from New Zealand.

My depression is more seasonal related though. lack of sun and skin exposure is what tends to set me off. Ive tried many things , though not ST Johns wart. Not sure why.....


The light therapy lamps are a joke, I vouch for that one. Tanning beds help a bit, but I tend to burn in them so opting out of that was a no brainer.


Also, lots and lots of honey in hot tea.
Quote:Royal Jelly capsules 1000 milligrams. Imported from New Zealand.

My depression is more seasonal related though. lack of sun and skin exposure is what tends to set me off. Ive tried many things , though not ST Johns wart. Not sure why.....


The light therapy lamps are a joke, I vouch for that one. Tanning beds help a bit, but I tend to burn in them so opting out of that was a no brainer.


Also, lots and lots of honey in hot tea.

where are you located at? Is is wintertime there now? We have long winters but it is usually sunny most of the time. I make sure to get out in it as much as I can for the Vit D and other healing powers of the Sun.

We go back on daylight savings time, here in the States (most of them anyway-Arizona doesn't full with that I know-does HAWAII?) next SUNDAY MORNING-MARCH 8TH... so dark early mornings again for a while but all the light of long days starting early this year.
Dunno how seriously to take it but I read warnings in the 90s about liver toxicity from SJW. Also in this light I've read them about Mugwort, Germander, and I think Scullcap, from the same decade, so maybe liver cancer or toxicity is a Big Pharma boogeyman (there's been similar brouhaha about Calamus), or maybe there is something to it, maybe even something that's part of modern life that wasn't so typical back when these herbs found more favor, like Twinkies.

I guess it's maybe paradoxical but I get some anti-depressant effect from taking tyrosine.

And the first time I encountered a live St. John's Wort, just the scent was very warm and anti-depressant to me. That effect didn't last but it did make me wonder about ancient prescriptions calling for SJW to go on you and not in you.

I have a lot of bad copies of B&W pics of messed-up cattle from the photosensitizing effects of SJW on cattle but on the other hand, I don't know any people who are necessarily going to graze a field of it.

More research...

Some aromas are very cheerful to me, though. Some of them depend on my mood, but for some reason if I can get my hands on a skunky cannabis leaf straight off the bush, just sniffing the juice from the stem is very anti-depressant to me. That was years ago and many miles away but it was very consistent that I would smell the fresh plant juice and start grinning and cracking up. Tea tree oil has some effect like that for me a good part of the time as well. Other stuff just depends on my mood, sometimes citrus or berry scents cheer me up really well.

My ex tried passion flower as an anti-depressant (MAO inhibitor) but found it to be too "trippy" - psychoactive and not in a good way. Not conclusive and possibly too much NutraSweet involved there. But people's chemistries can be somewhat unique, I had that same problem with melatonin, mild bad trip. I haven't dug too deep but I have yet to hear of anyone else having that problem with melatonin.

I try to find anything that doesn't require internal use if I can, and try to have support and contingency if something backfires. I'd been reading that Milk Thistle's EFAs could treat depression and I had a bunch of seed around because I'd also been reading it might be able to repair liver damage (cirrhosis and fungal toxins) so since the health food store was on the route to the Mission, I tossed a bunch of seed along that route figuring if God didn't provide for alcoholics, I'd help out. :-)

But one day I was feeling a bit down and decided to munch a spoonfull of Milk Thistle seed and I don't think I've ever been so despondent as that made me, I just walked around for hours wondering which bridge I wanted to throw myself off of before it wore off. Still can't figure that one, because I've gone through a whole bottle of fish oil for EFAs without incident.

Also I'm some kind of pushover for accidental light therapy. Doesn't even require wide spectrum, just a couple bright shop light tubes with a bunch of coleus growing under it (adds color therapy?), and I can stand there and hang out with my face up close for a while and get a lot of good out of it attitude-wise. Scented basils indoors in the winter under lights are also really good that way for me. God I love Cinnamon Basil. Ought to start some more right now.
I have used St John's Wort for depression. Now I don't have the wintertime blues depression. I attribute that to daily doses of vitamin D and fish oil.
I found Hibiscus flower tea to be good for calming anxiety.
Fishing
A good dose of Kipling helps:

The Camel's hump is an ugly lump
Which well you may see at the Zoo;
But uglier yet is the hump we get
From having too little to do.

Kiddies and grown-ups too-oo-oo,
If we haven't enough to do-oo-oo,
We get the hump --
Cameelious hump --
The hump that is black and blue!

We climb out of bed with a frouzly head,
And a snarly-yarly voice.
We shiver and scowl and we grunt and we growl
At our bath and our boots and our toys;

And there ought to be a corner for me
(And I know there is one for you)
When we get the hump --
Cameelious hump --
The hump that is black and blue!

The cure for this ill is not to sit still,
Or frowst with a book by the fire;
But to take a large hoe and a shovel also,
And dig till you gently perspire;

And then you will find that the sun and the wind,
And the Djinn of the Garden too,
Have lifted the hump --
The horrible hump --
The hump that is black and blue!

I get it as well as you-oo-oo --
If I haven't enough to do-oo-oo!
We all get hump --
Cameelious hump --
Kiddies and grown-ups too!
How the Camel Got His Hump
as long as the depression is of me versus outside of me it is often a case of my needing to get out and help out anyone at all with anything but especially anyone worse off than myself.

Vigorous working of the body does help me too- I'm a seriously intellectually overloaded entity astrologically and it does cause me to go totally apeshit with the short stories, novellas and full length novels I kind of self create as part of my normal self

ex: see something far ahead lying in the road... it's a dark not discernable mass... gardener head kicks in gear and I'm seeing a child crying pitifully over their dead black cat Fluffy lying there all smushed in the street. <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/scream.gif" alt="Scream" title="scream" /> I've had myself totally crying with that scene before only to have kept on approaching and it's just. a black. plastic. bag.

god forbid there is an animal in the street or it really is a car on fire on the freeway-these things seem to imprint on my soul canvas. I can still see the wild turkeys faces I witnessed as they stood next to the road getting their nerve up to cross last Thanksgiving time. I think that's why I'm so nearsighted. Visuals have a lot of emotional impact on me.

Too intense especially since a lot of it isn't even REAL on this plane anyway.

Lonesome? I too feel like I need to absorb something through my skin... I thought of tying an effusion bag under the tub faucet and letting the water go through a big bunch of sage that I have-to hopefully cleanse and clear MY SOUL. I've got a few tea balls-maybe those would work too.

And I keep forgetting about Bach remedies which I've had success with a lot of times, hard to find and expensive but I've done them before and the way you know they're working is that you start forgetting to take it... that's what happens to me with all my supplemental or healing applications I do... like Magnesium which is another one for everyone to keep an eye on... we're all deficient in this Calcium overloaded society-Calcium overload depletes Magnesium which results in all kinds of weird problems.

I did do a salt scrub recommended to me by a few 'who know'... just regular salt is all I had-took a wide plastic container of it into the shower and starting from my head with a big bath brush-scrubbed every inch of me down to the soles of my PISCEAN feet with it and it did do a cootie cleansing of me and my entire aura.

That's the real reason why there are bath SALTS... so aromatherapy bath salts would be the kicker too. I do candles for aromatherapy but having a really clean house does that for me too.
YAH for March 8!!!!!!!!!!

Grew up in the no change zone........miss it too

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Oops, I forgot the most important ingredient.

Learning to stand up for myself! <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/applause.gif" alt="Applause" title="applause" />


Telling people to their face that they are lying fuckers, and that I will shout it from the rooftops.

Telling people that I am worth more than being treated like dog shit and won't take their belittling abuse any more.

Calling people on their bullshit, instead of swallowing it and acting like a nice little girl who does what she's told.

This has done more to get rid of my depression than anything else has.

Plus lots of laughter.
[quote author="QuantumObserver"]Oops, I forgot the most important ingredient.

Learning to stand up for myself! Cheers
Morbius: Excellent News! Nice to know we're not alone on that exceedingly unpleasant road.

There seems to be little respect or admiration in our society for people who will stand up and tell the truth, especially in the face of such conflict as losing friends, families, and sometimes our livelihoods. I know how hard it is, and I applaud you for your efforts to find peace at any cost

Applause
I use combinations of things to avoid feeling low. The physical health side is important. Eat well .. especially organic food. Vitamin supplements are vital if you're not eating lots of organic food.

I also don't forget that I am one with nature, spirit and matter. I actively work to shift myself out of the "smog" of TV advertising - Negative News - Social Mundanity. Keeping a constant flow of extraordinary ideas ... although not flooding with too many ideas.

Going slow. This is a difficult one for me. I tend to get into some kind of medieval battle with problems and projects and find if I pull back and just leave them alone they will always - almost literally - fix themselves ! Easier said than done though.

Another one is - you don't HAVE to be happy all the time. This one is constantly pushed around socially and in the media. I have to sometimes force myself to actually FEEL bad or sad ... bad feelings are not a disease.

Of course, I don't think there is any "you do it this way" .. everyone has their own peculiar way of doing this.
the machine that kills fascists, the guitar
DJBarney you are so right, vitamins are essential for me. I go through periods where i take them everyday and they work for months, then if i run out before i get more i lose the focus, get depressed and 'fall off the bandwagon' so fast i often don't take them for months.

Isn't it amazing how big a difference vitamins can make for something the USA government swears has no impact?
St. John's Wort and ephedra are used together...the so-called "herbal fen-fen" for weight loss.
I tried it once...
~2 tbspns SJW + ~2 teaspoons Ephedra.
I thought I felt "full", plus the speedy quality.
I think it was a lot more popular 15 years ago, but then there was a media scare campaign......

This depression idea......I wonder if people are more bored than depressed. Some of the symptoms might be similar...along with overlaps with other mental set templates...eg. cynicism, self-referentialism......

The main thing is a sense of humor...not necessarily being happy/funny, but more like the old ideas of "the 4 humors"...although the particulars (black and yellow bile, blood and phlegm) are repulsive by today's standards. Herbs were chosen to rebalance the humors.

Many artists are manic-depressives.
They take a grim satisfaction in destroying their own work.
I'LL HAVE WHATEVER SHE'S HAD!!! MAYBE CHOCOLATE?

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Have your cake and eat it Nibble !
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How could I have forgotten to mention chocolate?
Quote:[quote author="the gardener"]I'LL HAVE WHATEVER SHE'S HAD!!! MAYBE CHOCOLATE?

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How could I have forgotten to mention chocolate?[/quote]


How could I never have noticed that "Stressed" is "Desserts" spelled backwards?
Is that chocolate cake ladened with ex-lax? Is she smiling because of the stress you (the cake eater) are about to experience? <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smoke.gif" alt="Smoke" title="smoke" />
I also go play in the drt.
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Published on Monday, March 2, 2009 by CommonDreams.org
The First Vegetables
by Roger Doiron

In Jerzy Kosinski's novel and award-winning screenplay, "Being There," the U.S. president turns to a plain-spoken gardener named Chance for wisdom at a time of economic crisis. The insight Chance offers is as simple as it is reassuring: Growth has its seasons and, as long as the roots of growth are not severed, all will be well.

President Barack Obama would be wise to add a gardener or farmer to his team of advisers. I already know what advice I'd offer if called to serve: Launch a new victory garden campaign starting with one on the White House lawn.

To some, this idea might seem too small to have an effect on anything as large as the country's economy, environment or health-care system, but you need to dig into U.S. history a bit to grasp the idea's full potential [1]. The last time a victory garden was planted at the White House was by First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt in 1943 when the country was at war and the economy was struggling. Roosevelt's leadership inspired millions of Americans by giving them something tangible and meaningful they could do to make their own lives better and their country stronger.

But the victory garden movement did much more than simply lift America's spirits. It also grew tons of healthy, affordable food (nearly 40 percent of the nation's produce at its peak), encouraged millions of citizens to become more physically active, and helped conserve natural and financial resources at a time of crisis.

That season of crisis has come again, and the idea of relaunching a new homegrown movement is once again winning hearts and minds, not to mention contests. A year ago, well before anyone knew who the next "eater in chief" would be, I entered the proposal to replant a food garden at the White House in the "On Day One" contest [2], an online project sponsored by the United Nations Foundation to generate policy recommendations for the new administration.

To my own surprise and many others', the proposal won first prize, beating out more than 4,000 other entries including ones by a Nobel Peace laureate and a Spice Girl. Whenever you can finish ahead of a peace star and pop star in a popularity contest, I think you're on to something. What the idea needs now is some star power of its own, and I can't think of anyone better than the Obamas for planting the seeds of the next victory garden movement.

Time will tell whether the First Family decides to plant the first vegetables, but I can already tell you that my first veggies are looking promising. Last fall, I planted a few rows of salad greens in a cold frame that poked their green noses out of the ground an inch or two before the cold, Maine winter sent them into a deep slumber. I recently shoveled out my cold frame and gently pulled back the blanket of mulch I had put over the greens. With the sun now rising higher in the sky and taking daytime temperatures with it, those greens are starting to wake up and begin a new season of growth.

Skeptics may read this and say that that my garden and other new ones won't add up to much, but my findings suggest otherwise. Over the course of the last growing season, my wife and I weighed every item that came out of our garden and calculated that we grew $2,200 worth of organic fruits and vegetables [3], which we're still happily eating our way through. And that's not counting all the sweet peaches, snappy snap beans and drip-down-your-chin tomatoes that never made it as far as our kitchen scale. If you take into consideration that there are more than 50 million American households with modest yards like mine who could be making healthy, homegrown savings of their own, those are no small potatoes.

It is true that keeping a garden takes time and occasionally requires some hard work, but what worthwhile thing in life doesn't?

Roger Doiron is the founding director of the non-profit group Kitchen Gardeners International [4] which is leading the Eat the View Campaign [5] to replant a Victory Garden at the White House. He lives and gardens with his wife and three sons in Scarborough, Maine

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Article printed from www.CommonDreams.org

URL to article: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/02-3
[quote author="Wook"]I also go play in the drt.
Smoke HE'D BE SMOKING MY BRAND BEFORE THE FIRST FORTNIGHT WAS THROUGH.

PERSONAL ASTROLOGER-SPECIALIZING IN ROSES.TOTALLY ORGANIC NO BULLSHIT-JUST LOTS AND LOTS OF TENDING THE ROOTS. AS THE ROOTS GO... THE REST OF THE PLANT FOLLOWS.

Did you know you can kill the mighty oak trees by stepping on their roots? watering or paving around their roots?
I do know that pissing on Posion Oak "trees"
kills them.
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MUSIC!! though a lot of it triggers me-sometimes in a very hard core way... i had a melt down at Smart N Final one day when Lay Lady Lay played on their musique...

here's one that just popped out of my head a bit ago...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o60QWYUBL6c

it's weird getting so many memories packed away... those photographs...
Quote:But the victory garden movement did much more than simply lift America's spirits. It also grew tons of healthy, affordable food (nearly 40 percent of the nation's produce at its peak), encouraged millions of citizens to become more physically active, and helped conserve natural and financial resources at a time of crisis.

You betcha! And them neighbors spraying god-knows-what to seep under the fence (and the dickweeds selling it to them) and them a-holes using not-even-god-knows-what for landfill are COMMIE PINKO TRAITORS!!!
LT
don't grow garden if you wish.
Cheers
Don't know what works for you, but xanies work just fine on me

For when there's no time to be f*ckin around.


<img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/rofl.gif" alt="Rofl" title="rofl" />
[quote author="Keith"]Don't know what works for you, but xanies work just fine on me

For when there's no time to be f*ckin around.


Lol
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