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Obama has proven time after time to be a manipulative user, the majority of Americans are blinded the best argument the responses I will get after this post is placed, read and watch how Keith and many others will jump all over me to defend this long legged Mcdaddy, usurper, illegal allien, muslim communist on its path to destroy our once great nation. Watch and see.... Obama Worship Obama <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/worship.gif" alt="Worship" title="worship" />
Quote:Obama has proven time after time to be a manipulative user, the majority of Americans are blinded the best argument the responses I will get after this post is placed, read and watch how Keith and many others will jump all over me to defend this long legged Mcdaddy, usurper, illegal allien, muslim communist on its path to destroy our once great nation. Watch and see.... Obama Worship Obama <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/worship.gif" alt="Worship" title="worship" />

why did you post this? I don't understand the purpose unless it is just to fight.

Obama is an empty suit.

The fans i find most comical are those who think he's "so brilliant", the man is almost as clueless as GWB, he barely even speaks better.

Besides that, his policies are identical to Bush on every major issue so realy what's to argue about?
Gosh Mayito, do you watch FOX news very much?

Rofl Rofl

Lmao Lmao

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Quote:Gosh Mayito, do you watch FOX news very much?

would that explain it?

I'm serious, i can't ingest corporate news, it disagrees with me violently!

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Here is why, please read it is the last warning

Ron Reese (8 July 2010)


Hi Fellow Watchmen,

Below are serious warnings by authors John McTernan and Bill Koenig of how "GOD'S FINAL WARNING TO AMERICA", is now upon us. Genesis 12:3 says, "I will bless them that bless thee (Israel), and curse him that curseth thee (Israel)." For the past two decades, at least, these authors prove that whenever the United States would make a decision that went against Israel, within a matter of a few hours, a disaster would strike our country. The evidence contained below is conclusive and irrefutable, beyond any shadow of a doubt. This evidence is further proof that our country is now in the process of undergoing VERY SERIOUS JUDGMENTS FROM GOD.

I believe the Lord is allowing these judgments because:

1. Millions upon millions of innocent babies have been murdered because of our evil, anti-God abortion laws and policies. We can add to this the massive spiritual corruption and immorality in our once-blessed country. It appears the cup of God's wrath is now full.

2. Our country is in the process, especially under the current administration, of taking our protective hand off from God's chosen nation of Israel.

3. Our unbelievably ill-advised decision to elect to the highest office in the land, the most evil, dishonest, anti-God, anti-Israel, usurper of the throne, radical, Communist in ideology, anti-American, and Muslim dictator, this country has ever seen. In less than two years, this evil man will begin his 1260-day rule and reign as the Biblical Antichrist, the dictator of the New World Order, as he will become the diabolical Satan incarnate.

Our country is now reaping what we have sown. It is an extremely sad day, as we are watching the total collapse of the once-great United States. It is not necessarily easy to discern how much God is causing it, and how much God is allowing it. Irregardless, it appears as if the curse and the judgments of God are now taking place upon our country, just as the Lord warned us in Gen. 12:3. Next up is the economic collapse of our country, our inescapable involvement in nuclear World War III, and further cataclysmic disasters, resulting from the oil gusher (volcano) catastrophe.

The oil spill disaster is a great example of how God is judging the United States because of our rapidly-deteriorating relationship with Israel. On April 19, 2010, Barack Hussein Obama, declared that Israel could no longer depend on the United States' vote, on resolutions proposed by the United Nations. The VERY NEXT DAY THE OIL GUSHER DISASTER OF UNTOLD MAGNITUDE TOOK PLACE!!! On the Jewish calendar, this was Israel's 62nd birthday. After reading what these authors below have discovered, you will quickly understand that this was definitely not a coincidence.


For more information about the impending cataclysm of the oil gusher disaster, which is the beginning of the fulfillment of the 2nd trumpet judgment of Revelation 8:8--9, and about where we are on God's timetable of end-time Biblical Prophecy events, I encourage you to go to my new website at:

Are you being an obedient Christian, and obeying our Lord's command to the end-times believers in Luke 21:34--36, which is to pray that the Lord would find you worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall soon come to pass and to stand before Jesus. This is the Rapture, our Blessed Hope. All indications are that the Rapture is NOW AT THE DOOR!!! EVEN SO, COME LORD JESUS!!! ARE YOU READY???!!!

Ron Reese

God's Final Warning to America
by John McTernan

Paperback - 160 pages (July 1998)
Hearthstone Publishing Inc
ISBN: 1575580276

BPR Review: Isaiah 10:1 says, Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees. Have you ever begun to wonder and question why God has allowed America to continue on in its downward spiral of immorality and corruption as though she is not held accountable for her actions? It would seem as though America does no wrong. John McTernan's book, "God's Final Warning to America" addresses this very issue with some astounding insight. From the very year 1963, when our Supreme Court outlawed God from the classrooms of our nation's schools, God was there. In the present day government scandals that seemingly no longer alarm the American people, God has been there. At the legalization of abortion in 1972, God was there. When the first largest gathering of homosexuals in the world took place in Washington, D.C. in 1987, God was there. For those who feel America is unstoppable, this book is a must read. For those who believe America is exempt from the wrath of the Almighty God, this book is a must read. It is an eye-opener and startling reminder that the Lord still reigns. Every man's work, including America's, will be made manifest.

Proverbs 14:34 says, Righteousness exalteth a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people. This book takes an extraordinary look at the many earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, recent wild fires, and other natural disasters, and exposes the real problem at hand: the sins of our nation. This book looks at past and present stock market crashes, plummeting SAT scores, violence, rioting, teen pregnancy, abortions, and various other social issues, and shows an undeniable link between these and the natural disasters once called "Acts of God." America is a nation that's being warned by God to turn from its wicked ways so that He may heal this land. Otherwise if we continue, God states in Leviticus 18, that the land itself will vomit out the inhabitants. The facts and connections this book makes between earthquakes, floods, wild fires, and America's wavering morals, makes it evident that the land is indeed vomiting out the inhabitants. The author makes it clear that the precise timing of these disasters and their connection with social and political events that are untoward God are no coincidence, but rather they are unmistakable warnings that we are held accountable for our actions.

I was glued to this book with every chapter, and unable to put it down until I had finished the last page. I then had to read it again. I have shared the wealth of information found in this book with many friends, some of whom have since purchased their own copy. One thing that I have learned from this book is that when the United States Supreme Court gathers itself together to make decisions, Americans should beware: God is listening. When the UN votes to place pressures on Israel that oppose God, God is listening. When presidents, past and present, make decisions that are untoward God, God is still watching. After reading this book, I am all the more convinced that God is not mocked, and that whatsoever a man soweth, or a nation in this case, that shall he reap. This book contains the facts and stories surrounding natural disasters, the financial loss, the loss of human life, charts and graphs making it plain to even the greatest of skeptics, that God is still very much a part of today's world and society in which we live. I would encourage anyone who is in doubt, or anyone who needs a fresh perspective for their faith in God, to pick up this book and read it.

-- Norman, BPR list member.

The following is from "Koenig's International News" <>:

Eight Major 'Acts Of God' That Coincided With The Timing of U.S. Pressure On Israel To Give Up Land

October 30, 1991:

President George Bush opens the Madrid Conference with an initiative for a Middle East peace plan involving Israel's land. On the same day, an extremely rare storm forms off the coast of Nova Scotia. (It was eventually tagged "The Perfect Storm," and a book and movie were made about it.) Record-setting 100-foot waves form at sea and pound the New England Coast, even causing heavy damage to President Bush's home in Kennebunkport, Maine.

August 23, 1992:

The Madrid Conference moves to Washington D.C. and the peace talks resume, lasting four days. On that same day, Hurricane Andrew-the worst natural disaster ever to hit America-produces an estimated $30 billion in damage and leaves 180,000 homeless in Florida.

January 16, 1994:

President Clinton meets with Syria's President Hafez el-Assad in Geneva. They talk about a peace agreement with Israel that includes giving up the Golan Heights. Less than 24 hours later, a powerful 6.9 earthquake rocks Southern California. This quake, centered in Northridge, is the second most destructive natural disaster to hit the United States, behind Hurricane Andrew.

March 1 to April 1997:

The combination of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat touring America; Clinton rebuking Israel for not giving away her land for peace; and pro-abortion activity coincide with some of the worst tornadoes and flooding in U.S. history. On the very day Arafat lands in America, powerful tornadoes devastate huge sections of the nation, ripping across Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Kentucky and Tennessee. Arafat's American tour also coincides with the storms in the Dakotas, which result in the worst flooding of this century, in addition to weeks of major storms throughout the Midwest. Arafat finishes his tour and leaves the U.S. and the storms stop.

January 21, 1998:

Netanyahu meets with President Clinton at the White House and is coldly received. Clinton and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright refuse to have lunch with him. Shortly afterwards that day, the Monica Lewinsky scandal breaks into the mass media and begins to occupy a major portion of Clinton's time.

September 27-28, 1998:

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright works on the final details of an agreement in which Israel will give up 13 percent of the West Bank. The same day Hurricane Georges slams into the Gulf Coast with 110 m.p.h winds and gusts up to 175. The hurricane hits the coast and stalls. On September 28, Clinton meets with Arafat and Netanyahu at the White House to finalize the land deal. Later, Arafat addresses the United Nations about declaring an independent Palestinian state by May 1999, while Hurricane Georges pounds the Gulf Coast causing $1 billion in damage. At the exact time Arafat departs the U.S. the storm begins to dissipate.

October 15-22, 1998:

On October 15, 1998, Yasser Arafat and Benjamin Netanyahu meet at the Wye River Plantation in Maryland, to continue the talks, which ended on September 28. The talks are scheduled to last five days with the focus on Israel giving up 13 percent of the West Bank. The talks are extended and conclude on October 23. On October 17, awesome rains and tornadoes hit southern Texas. The San Antonio area is deluged with 20 inches of rain in one day. The rains and floods in Texas continue until October 22 and then subside. The floods ravage 25 percent of Texas and leave over one billion dollars in damage. On October 21, Clinton declares this section of Texas a major disaster area.

May 3, 1999:

This is the same day in Israel that Yasser Arafat is scheduled to declare a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as the capital. The declaration is postponed to December 1999 at the request of President Clinton, whose letter to Arafat encourages him for his "aspirations for his own land." He also writes that the Palestinians have a right to "determine their own future on their own land, " and that they deserve to "live free, today, tomorrow and forever." That same day, starting at 4:47 p.m. CDT, the most powerful tornado storm system ever to hit the United States sweeps across Oklahoma and Kansas. The winds are clocked at 316 m.p.h. the fastest wind speed ever recorded.

These are a few examples of the many "Act of God" events that coincide with the timing of the country's pressure on Israel to give up her land for peace. The land that God gave to Israel as the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is documented by covenant in The Holy Bible.

The Results of Arafat's Visits to America

March 2, 1997: Arafat meets with President Clinton in Washington, DC. The same day awesome tornado storms unleash tremendous damage in Arkansas and flooding in Kentucky and Ohio. Arkansas and Kentucky declared disaster areas.

January 21, 1998: President Clinton is waiting to meet with Arafat at the White House. At this exact time, the President's sex scandal breaks.

September 27, 1998: Arafat is meeting with the President in Washington. Hurricane Georges hits Alabama and stalls. The Hurricane stalls until Arafat leaves and then it dissipates. Parts of Alabama declared a disaster area.

October 17, 1998: Arafat comes to the Wye Plantation meeting. Incredible rains fall on Texas which cause record flooding. Parts of Texas are declared a disaster area.

November 23, 1998: Arafat comes to America. He meets with President Clinton who is raising funds for the Palestinian state. That day the stock market falls 216 points.

March 23, 1999: Arafat meets with Clinton in Washington, DC. Market falls 219 points that day. The next day Clinton orders attack on Serbia.

September 3, 1999: Secretary of State Albright meets with Arafat in Israel. Hurricane Dennis comes a shore on this very day after weeks of changing course in the Atlantic Ocean.

September 22, 1999: Arafat meets with Clinton in Washington, DC. The day before and after the meeting the market falls more than 200 points each day. This was the first time in history the market lost more than 200 points for two days in a week. The market lost 524 points this week.

June 16, 2000: Arafat meets with President Clinton. The market falls 265 points on this day.

July 12-26, 2000: Arafat at the Camp David meetings. Powerful droughts throughout the country. Forest fires explode in West into uncontrolled fires. By the end of August, 7 million acres are burnt.

November 9, 2000: Arafat meets with President Clinton at the White House to try and salvage the peace process. This was just two days after the presidential election. The nation was at the height of an election crisis. The worst in over 100 years.

Seismologists and Sin
John McTernan

Between April, 1992, and October, 1999, Southern California experienced four of some of the most powerful earthquakes to occur last century. The earthquakes were all within a very close distance to each other. The earthquakes were: Joshua Tree, 6.1, April 23, 1992; Landers, 7.6, June 28, 1992; Big Bear, 6.5, June 28, 1992; and Hector Mine, 7.1, October 16, 1999. Three of the earthquakes fell directly on the day of a national sin event, while the Hector Mine quake occurred just a few days after such an event.

Because of the potential devastation caused by earthquakes, seismologists and geologists intensely study them. All of these earthquakes were the subjects of intense study by the scientists. This research developed some astounding information, which could have dire consequences for California.

The scientists studying these quakes believe that they are all connected as the first earthquake, Joshua Tree, directly lead to the others. These earthquakes were in a domino effect. This is amazing because of the timing. A series of powerful earthquakes were tied directly to a series of national sinful events. The pressure of one earthquake led to the next. It is like the spiritual and physical realms are somehow tied together.

The great danger of these earthquakes is the effect on the San Andreas Fault. This is the fault, which, if ruptured, would devastate California resulting in multitudes of dead and injured and incredible property damage. Let's look at what the scientists have found about these earthquakes and how the increasing boldness of national sin may culminate in the destruction of California.

The earthquake sequence begins on April 23, 1992, and the United States Supreme Court hearing the Planned Parenthood v Casey case. This case had tremendous national implications as it was thought it could be used by the Court to overturn the Roe v Wade case of 1973. On this very day the Joshua Tree quake occurred.

The Joshua Tree quake was alarming to seismologists. This quake tore a 15-mile gash in the earth and was felt from San Diego to Las Vegas to Phoenix. It caused over 6,000 aftershocks. This quake was very close in proximity to the San Andreas Fault line. This earthquake caused a San Andreas Hazard B warning to be declared. This warning meant there was a 5 to 25% chance of an earthquake occurring on the San Andreas Fault within three days. The quake on the San Andreas did not happen, but the powerful Landers quake occurred two months later. The pressure the Joshua Tree earthquake was believed by the scientists to have triggered the Landers quake.

The last Sunday in June is always Gay Pride Day. In 1992, it fell on June 28. The next day, June 29, the Supreme Court issued the ruling for the Planned Parenthood v Casey case. The Court failed to use the Casey case to overturn Roe v Wade. The Court upheld that abortion was legal. June 28 was a huge homosexual event and June 29 was a huge pro-abortion victory.

In the early morning hours just before the Gay Pride Day parade in Los Angeles, the Landers and Big Bear quakes struck. Landers was one of the most powerful earthquakes in the twentieth century. It was the second most powerful since the San Francisco quake of 1906. Landers quake tore a 53-mile long gash in the earth! The power was so great that it was felt 800 miles away and set off earthquakes all over the western part of the nation. The Big Bear quake occurred three hours later and was reported by the scientists to be directly connected to the Landers quake. The faults of the two earthquakes were very close, only 20 miles away.

The scientists found the southern part of the Landers quake fault was moved during the Joshua Tree earthquake, and these two earthquakes were connected. The Landers quake then triggered the Big Bear quake just three hours later. The pressure the Joshua Tree, Landers, and Big Bear earthquakes were putting on the San Andreas Fault alarmed scientists. These three earthquakes plus the San Andreas Fault made a triangle! The Joshua Tree and Landers quake faults were on a line northwest from the San Andreas Fault. The Landers fault touched the Big Bear fault. Big Bear then went south back toward the San Andreas Fault. Thus the faults formed a triangle. The scientists are extremely concerned about these earthquakes and the stress they put on the San Andreas Fault. The EQE International (Engineers who analyze earthquakes) expressed this concern in an article titled, "The Landers and Big Bear Earthquakes." Their concerns follow:

"Scientists are currently studying the possibility that these earthquakes may be related to a future event on the San Andreas Fault, which, together with the geological structures discussed above (Joshua Tree and Landers Faults), form a triangle of faults. According to the USGS (United States Geological Survey), there is a 60 percent chance within the next 30 years that an M8 earthquake will strike the San Andreas Fault somewhere between the Salton Sea and Palmdale."

"Given that the USGS estimates a 60 percent chance within the next 30 years of an M8 earthquake striking along the San Andreas Fault, these two quakes and the M6.1 event of April should be taken as a major warning. Many seismologists are concerned that these events could be the beginning of a sequence of events that will lead to the expected major San Andreas event in this region"

According to the scientists, these earthquakes could be the beginning of the sequence to rupture the San Andreas Fault. It is very possible that the Joshua Tree quake on the very day of the Supreme Court's abortion case, may be the very day the scientist will pinpoint as the beginning of the sequence that triggered the San Andreas Fault.

For seven years, this area was free of major earthquake activity. Then, on October 2, 1999, the governor of California signed pro-homosexual legislation. On October 10, the legislation was filed and on October 14 the governor made a speech stating that California was going to be a model for homosexual rights for the rest of the country.

On October 16, 1999 the powerful 7.1, Hector Mine earthquake struck only 15 miles from the location of the Landers quake seven years earlier. Like the previous quakes in this sequence, the Hector Mine quake was in the desert and did little damage; however, its power was felt from Los Angeles to Phoenix. It generated over 11,000 aftershocks. Like the Landers quake, this one also triggered earthquakes far from its own zone. The Landers quake triggered earthquakes exclusively north of the epicenter while this one triggered the quakes southward as far as the Mexican border.

What troubled the scientists was that Hector Mine triggered a series of quakes very near the San Andreas Fault some 130 miles away. They referred to this as the faults "talking" with each other. After two weeks, the quakes had stopped near the San Andreas Fault.

The scientists believe that the area where these earthquakes are occurring have been inactive for several thousand years. The sudden occurrence of four major quakes in seven years is an indication that they are all related. One earthquake is setting the stage for the next. Instead of the massive Landers quake decreasing pressure, it actually increased the pressure that helped trigger the Hector Mine quake. In the May 10, 2001, issue of Nature, Dr. Andrew M. Freed states the following:

"Stress changes in the crust due to an earthquake can hasten the failure of neighboring faults and induce earthquake sequences in some cases. The Hector Mine earthquake in Southern California M7.1 occurred only 20 km from, and 7 years after, the 1992 Landers earthquake M7.3. This suggests that the Hector Mine earthquake was triggered in some fashion by the earlier event."

Dr. Freed then went on to state all these earthquakes Joshua Tree, Landers, Big Bear and Hector Mine are in a sequence. Freed stated: "The June 1992 Landers earthquake M7.3, was part of an earthquake sequence that began with the April 1992 M.6.1 Joshua Tree pre-shock and continued with the M6.2 Big Bear aftershock only a few hours after the Landers rupture."

The scientists are showing a strong correlation in the sequence of these earthquakes. They are trying to identify the triggering device. These earthquakes are dangerously close to the massive San Andreas Fault, and the Hector Mine quake actually triggered small earthquakes near this fault. This sequence of quakes is following precisely a sequence of national sinful events. It seems the physical and spiritual realms are running on parallel tracks that are touching each other. Could the sinful acts be the triggering device the scientists are looking for? Could April 23, 1992, be the date that started the countdown sequence toward the massive San Andreas earthquake, which will devastate California? The breaking of God's moral laws is clearly affecting the physical laws.

On October 2, 1992 Governor Davis signed into law several bills, which advanced the homosexual agenda. One such bill was A.B.537, which went into effect January 2000. This Bill created The California Student Safety and Violence Prevention Act of 2000. This Act calls for the teaching of tolerance for the acceptance of "alternative-lifestyles" to all students K - 12. It is very possible that this type of legislation could lead to more massive earthquake activity, heading to the San Andreas rupture. God is not hiding the judgment, He is telegraphing it. These earthquakes are all pointing to the San Andreas Fault. In fact, they have all formed a triangle!

It seems the judgment has been set, and the rebellion against God will bring it on. God has allowed the quakes on days of national sinful events. There is no reason to believe that the earthquake sequence has ceased, as the boldness to promote homosexuality, even to our children, is accelerating. There was a seven-year gap between the Landers and Hector Mine quakes. The continuing boldness to promote homosexuality and abortion means the pressure for the next massive earthquake is building and building.

It is no coincidence these powerful earthquakes are falling directly on days of national sin. The warnings from God are crystal clear, without any doubt. Scientists estimate that there is a massive quake along the southern San Andreas Fault approximately every 150 years. The last time was January 9, 1857. It is very possible that the next massive quake could be the tearing of the dreaded San Andreas Fault.

Back Cover: "God has revealed to John McTernan a most urgent message for a nation that is turning away from God. This wake up call is for both those who know Jesus Christ as personal lord and Savior, and for those who do not. John delivers a message with overwhelming evidence that God is warning America with disasters such as hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, and wildfires that occur during acts of national disobedience. Although the Lord is not in nature, He does use his power over nature to warn nations and individuals that they must turn from sin or ultimately suffer destruction. He is in the still small voice that speaks to the hearts of men, calling them to follow Jesus Christ and secure the blessings of liberty that only those who obey God's Word can enjoy. John McTernan is an evangelist and one of the original founders of the International Cops for Christ. John has been a criminal investigator since 1972."
So mayito7777, thusly, did you consider the Bush regime to be MEN OF GOD? like Bush Jr said (like the mentally ill person he really is) that 'God ordered him to smite Iraq-so he did'... do you really think that Obama is any less soulless than what this country has suffered through since the deadly sacrifice of JFK?

The anti-life regime has been on a endless slaughterfest all of my conscious days-regardless of which side of the same coin produced our public leaders.

Posted By: Daystar <Send E-Mail>
Date: Thursday, 8-Jul-2010 09:06:03

In my view, the most dangerous weapon used against the masses is psychological warfare....

Some other similar terms to investigate and learn more about are...information warfare, mind control, mesmerism, hypnotism, propaganda, deception and social manipulation or social engineering.The more we learn about these tactics used to control, the more we will be able to see through the efforts to deceive and manipulate us.

Take the oil spill as an example.Some people feel the news coverage of this "event" is truthful and accurate. Others think the disaster is much worse than is being advertised by the mainstream media and that BP is trying to cover it up...and then there are those who feel the spill was orchestrated and regulated for specific purposes. I tend to think the last scenerio is what needs further investigation.

I think that everyone would agree that areas around the spill are being restricted to citizens.It is reported that planes are not allowed to fly over the area. Are fishing boats allowed out in the water? Cleanup crews have been ordered not to speak to media....etc.Certain websites like Natural News seem to be using fear tactics to make us suspect that BP and government are covering up the oil situtaion because the damage is much worse than they are letting on. Here is some text from that website..."What could possibly be happening in the Gulf Coast right now that is so scary that BP and the Federal Govt is willing to destroy your rights in order to protect their secrets? Why are beach cleanup workers being required to sign non disclosure agreements. Why are jouranlists being threatened and intimidated? Why are real cops being used as BP'S private security force?" Adams speculates that maybe human bodies are washing ashore and we haven't been told....or a dangerous new chemical is being dumped. He also mentioned nuclear bombs.

While all of this is a possibility.....he never mentions the other possibility...that the spill is controlled and orchestrated, that the tarballs and gases could be from an underwater tar volcano and that the reason citizens and the media are being restricted is perhaps because BP and Govt. don't want citizens to see that this spill has been planned and is limited to a manageable area... to raise money as was done in Katrina, the Haiti earthquake, etc. ..and to gain more control over the Gulf area....and eventually cede more ocean rights to the U.N

Think about how the supposed magnitude of the disaster was being forced upon us with the BP video of the oil gushing (or was it a tar volcano they were videoing). It was a video that people could click on whenever they wanted and it was shown constantly on the news. It wasn't being hidden , it was being promoted. It's only the evidence of the actual damage...the oil and dead animals.... that is being restricted by not allowing flyovers, access to certain beaches...etc. Maybe those involved don't want us to see that there is no huge disaster? If there is really a continuous amount of oil spiling into the ocean, I certainly do not want to minimize it...however we need to look at the conflicting evidence and analzye it.

I wonder what is really going on in Haiti right now? Maybe we should step back, take a break from the oil spill news and see what is going on there. Maybe this would help us to see what will be coming next in the Gulf

Much of our alternative media is controlled opposition and even though a certain website or talkshow appears to be telling us alot of the Truth...we still have to be awake to the 5% of the info which is included for the purpose of leading us astray.Remember, the environmetal movement is being used to gain more control of the people and the earth's resources.
Quote:So mayito7777, thusly, did you consider the Bush regime to be MEN OF GOD? like Bush Jr said (like the mentally ill person he really is) that 'God ordered him to smite Iraq-so he did'... do you really think that Obama is any less soulless than what this country has suffered through since the deadly sacrifice of JFK?

The anti-life regime has been on a endless slaughterfest all of my conscious days-regardless of which side of the same coin produced our public leaders.

This is pretty much my point, this isn't a suprise, and it's acceleration to climax isn't either, is it?

I think the chaos will come as part of a larger transition, it occurs to me that the religious view is one interpretation of the events to come, perhaps not the only one.
Quote:2. Our country is in the process, especially under the current administration, of taking our protective hand off from God's chosen nation of Israel.

They haven't even come close but they definitely should stop supporting Israel. Israel is wrong in every way but the US condones every evil act. Whenever the US govt has made weak protests they backtrack on it shortly....just like the nuclear-free ME b/s. This blind support for Israel shows me that either your diety is not omnipotent and perfect or that you, the worshippers, have totally misinterpreted things. Anything purporting to be a supreme being has to have higher moral standards than me, and yours fails that test. <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/thwak.gif" alt=":thwack:" title="thwack" />
And hopefully you won't see that as any sort of endorsement of Obama.
well 777777777777
it is nice that you woke up out of a 40 year coma
Mayito, have you ever compared the Old Testament to any Sumerian texts? You'll find the Sumerian texts have the same stories, only more information. After you see the pattern, you might begin to wonder who the OT God really is, since your infallible Bible seems to be rewritten Sumerian stories that are thousands of years older than the OT. Oh, don't want to look? It will be a revelation. So when you quote OT to me, I have to laugh, because the OT just shortens stories written by the currently winning "God" of Sumeria. One time it is Enlil, the next it is Enki. "Jehovah" was given a piece of territory to lead. He was just another Anunnaki, or why do you think he put so much emphasis on having "no other God" but him? It's because there were other Gods at that time, but they weren't really Gods anymore than Jehovah was. I believe there is a God, but it isn't the OT God. While I commend you on your faith, no matter how much I believe the moon is made of green cheese, the facts say otherwise and my faith would be for naught. Check the facts. Quit watching FOX news, they lie. They went to court to prove they had the right to lie. Check your facts again.
Quote:well 777777777777
it is nice that you woke up out of a 40 year coma

No it most definitely is not.

It's more like pick on Keith and he'll stomp a bone out your ass sideways week
I don't think any of the decay we see in the world is part of 'God's plan'.
I think he just told us what he knew (beforehand) would take place, and neither do I think any political leader we can choose won't do just exactly his part that will lead to that end.
We, and all the rest of the world that now supports Israel are to be drawn away to observe Gog and Magog attack Israel, at least they 'seem' to be passive, and on the sidelines complaining.

'sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?" (Ezek. 38:13).

Nothing indicates they'll step in to help.
Whatever is going to happen, sure seems as tho it's coming on like gangbusters. All the players long foretold are daily lining up to act their part.
! always thought
wouldn't it be great
to have the 2nd coming wth out all the wars

o well
Wook logic
Wook logic good.
If only the major parties agreed.
Arnik's view explains the wars to me quite clearly.

Israel in its modern form won't have it any other way, it's part of their identity now.

Whichever Anunnaki the OT Jewish god really was has left quite a fingerprint on the world, but entirely through wars.

Why would it end any differently than it's been for the last ~5000 years?
how can anyone believe in something that cannot be witnessed, observed, understood, or known to exist?
Quote:I don't think any of the decay we see in the world is part of 'God's plan'.
I think he just told us what he knew (beforehand) would take place, and neither do I think any political leader we can choose won't do just exactly his part that will lead to that end.
We, and all the rest of the world that now supports Israel are to be drawn away to observe Gog and Magog attack Israel, at least they 'seem' to be passive, and on the sidelines complaining.

'sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?" (Ezek. 38:13).

Nothing indicates they'll step in to help.
Whatever is going to happen, sure seems as tho it's coming on like gangbusters. All the players long foretold are daily lining up to act their part.

I posted on the new moon thread the Barbara Hand-Clow article about this New Moon-Sun/Sun conjoined at 19 degrees Cancer Eclipse--- she's talking about all the religions of this world which enspouse 'God giving humans dominion over this planet and all its creations'... and that THAT is where the major deadly exploitation of this worlds starts and finishes... I was surprised one summer years ago when one of my aunts got defensive after she asked me if I was a 'wacky vegetarian'... all I had to say was 'of course I am' (which she had already known) and she hammered into me that 'God gave us dominion over all the animals on this earth'....

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One of your better ones, V!

Jesus is justly just a metaphor.
All in one and not an iota more.
Hidden cached fortune in store.
The Magdelene is: not a whore.
Heretical thoughts you'd abhor.
Cause distraught.lock the door.
2 keep your mind a safe-score.
And mind you now a God'o'War.
Ares' arrest you as you implore.
Came here and knocked,ignore.
But before Nicea there was ore.
Musically written many a score.
UnhiddenMissionpenniyless poor.
20cent = I have a pair of dimes.
At least be lucent in paradigms.

Jesus returning. Nonono I will never be controlled by boogy-men.

If the "SUPREME"God won't take a moment out of his busy schedule and talk directly to me. Muaha
I fight my own battles and named my firstborn after the Human Victor.
Jacob = Israel.

Anagram + Is Real.

This is Real and Happenning NOW! Rofl Rofl

When I Fight .
I aim to orpbit2 said: By hook or by crook. Hi


Thank Jesus she can cook Bannock(Unleavened Bread)

Bannock (food)
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An Inuit woman preparing bannockBannock is a form of flat bread, the same thickness as a scone cooked on a griddle or fried in a pan. Today it may also be baked in an oven. Originally made of oatmeal, it takes the form of a large oatcake. Many variations exist, both in Scotland from where it originates and in other countries. Particularly well-known is the Selkirk bannock, which is more like a fruitcake. The different varieties of bannock have historical religious and cultural connections, as do many food products. Today, however, it is most often simply enjoyed.

Adopted into Native American culture, the bannock has become popular as frybread, or Indian tacos, particularly at pow-wows and state fairs. In the United States and Canada, bannock is also popular as survival food, a staple for those who enjoy wilderness adventures. The ease of preparation, ability to combine with whatever other foods are available, and delicious aroma when cooking make the bannock a source of pleasure as well as nourishment.

Keith is Your Host.
I transform the wine.
Raise it as a toast.
And ritually combine.

These are not the 'Droids' we are looking for...move! along...Move ALONG!

Bannock beats the communion-wafers.
Cydo-Axis complete, it never Waivers.
No Nonono no known favors.
I speak for myself not for your saviors.
Exhibit in future the same past behavior.

Mayito... Worship Worship
Jesus is the poster-boy of extraterrestriallism.

His Father is NOT of "THIS" Earth.

But his Son is.


No one shall know the mysteries???


But we're gonna try.
I fear God.

I don't fear Lucifer

and actually will combat him on the world's stage.
They will see.
According to He(The Lawless one)

I'm not in the least impressed beyond admiring the cunning art.

Satan... <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/cheers.gif" alt="Cheers" title="cheers" /> Meet Clayton.

I fear you not Devil.
Not even in the least.

Get thee behind them...
But get outta my way you phantasmic wannabe.
America...take back the light...before you burnout on the world's stage as a wonderkind and fizzle out in the on-going struggle of guesswork versus measure.
I don't fear God at all. The Creator has shined the light on me... I felt it and I instinctively opened up my arms and self for a full penetration of that life- 'do with me what you will' came out of me... I threw my head back-arms up to the skies. 'do with me what you will' I said to the Light. The light passed on. It was the spotlight. One like I conjure up for the Creator to shine down all the time. I didn't fear that either.

Anyone that demands fear as a normal emotive response to its presence is a tyrant, a bully, an abuser. That is not my Creator's impression upon me.
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Friday, July 9, 2010
Requiem for the Antiwar Movement by Cindy Sheehan
“When you vote for war, don't be surprised when you get it.”

Cindy Sheehan
“I will send at least two additional combat brigades to Afghanistan.”
Presidential Candidate Barack Obama
“This war (Iraq) prevents us from tackling every serious threat that we face, from a resurgent al-Qaeda in Afghanistan to a hostile Iranian regime intent on possessing nuclear weapons.”
Candidate Barack Obama
“And if we have actionable intelligence about high-level al-Qaeda targets (in Pakistan), we must act if Pakistan will or cannot.”
Candidate Barack Obama

This article and these observations are going to piss some people off—but oh well. You will be angry with me, even though I am not the one who is ordering more war, paying for more war, torturing people and imprisoning them without due process, destroying the economy and the environment, blah, blah, blah. I have developed an incredibly thick skin and if I rankle, it’s because I think time is running out to halt the disastrous trajectory this planet (via the US Military Corporate Complex) is on. I promise that I am not writing this because I am holding protests and no one is coming—these thoughts have been percolating in me for months now. (Note: Remember that old saying: “What if they gave a war and nobody came?” Well, here in DC I am living the opposite: “What if they gave an antiwar protest and nobody came?”)
My grandbabies and other people’s grandbabies WILL NOT live in a world where war for profit is so normal that state-sanctioned violence is rarely even questioned—and if it is, then the person questioning is the “looney tunes,” the “mama moonbat,” the “radical.” That is one seriously messed-up world. You know it is and we are the only ones who have the key to unmessing it.
Last week, the Democratically controlled House of Representatives voted to give Barack Obama 33 billion more dollars to prosecute two idiotic and ill-advised wars. Of course they did—it wasn’t the first time since 2007 that a Democratic Congress voted to fund wars, and it won’t be the last—do you all know why? BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS DON’T WANT PEACE—THEY ARE JUST ONE-HALF OF THE “WAR PARTY.”
Why else did the Democrats vote for more war, more death and more destruction? If you are a Democrat and voted for one of these scum—did you vote for them hoping that you would get more war? Did you vote for Obama hoping that he would dig this country into a deeper hole, and do you still believe that fucking things up even more is the way to solve problems?
Do you all know what else? The wars that were begun in the Bush presidency and fully funded and increased during the Obama regime belong to everyone who voted for Obama, too. If you listened to what Obama said, and not just how he said it, then you would have heard him promise you that he was going to SEND MORE TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN. You would have heard him say that nothing was “off the table” for dealing with Iran.
During the campaign, many colleagues and friends of mine, assured me that Obama was just saying this hostile crap to “get elected” and once he was elected that he would “do the right thing.” Well, first of all, why support such a pandering Jackwagon, and secondly, how has that ever worked? Three days after Obama swore to uphold and defend the Constitution, he drone-bombed a “target” in Pakistan killing 3 dozen civilians—and since that day he has elevated the art of drone bombings to new heights, while the so-called antiwar movement looks on in silent complacency and while Democratic operatives disguised as antiwar groups are hoping against hope that Obama comes out strong with a new antiwar marketing campaign to assure his “re-election.” Even though not one progressive issue has been propagated during his term, these war supporters are looking forward to another four years of the dance of death. Right foot kill—left foot torture—spin around for environmental devastation—allemande left for health care fascism—and shimmy right for bankster bailouts. Wasn’t eight years of this crap during the Bush stain enough for y’all?
Many antiwar groups and people who claim they are for peace lose their minds during election season thinking that the razor-thin difference between the Democrat and Republican is enough to go ape-shit crazy in working for the Democrat. Just take the last two Democratic candidates, for example. Kerry and Obama both supported more war. An “antiwar” movement de-legitimizes itself when it works hard for a candidate who does not promise total and rapid withdrawal of troops from wherever they happen to be at the time AND does not promise to end war as an imperial tool of corporate conquest.
The majority of the so-called antiwar movement, in fact, voted for a candidate that PROMISED to contract one war only to be able to profoundly EXPAND another. Obama all along said that he is not against all war, just “dumb wars.” If there existed an antiwar movement that had integrity—it would have said that “all wars are dumb,” and we withhold our support for just another dyed-in-the-wool warmonger.
What do we do now that we have another two and a half years of a hawk who thinks it is just hunky-dory that his supporters are under the delusion that he is a dove—he was awarded the war-establishment’s highest prize wasn’t he? He is, after all, a Nobel Laureate.
First of all, voting just doesn’t cut it. Realistically, our choices are between War Party Candidate A and War Party Candidate B. A true peace candidate is marginalized, metaphorically spat upon, and reviled. This is not a nation that honors peace and non-violence. From the top down, we are a violent nation—so from the bottom up, we have to restructure society. Liberate yourself and remove your Obama bumper sticker that has a peace sign instead of the “O.” If you are antiwar, you know in your heart that he is not a peace monger.
Secondly, our resources and energy are stretched thin. We live in a credit based economy where good jobs are scarce. Many people, who have the same values, in this almost value-free society, constantly tell me that they would be with me if they could afford it.
Since my son was killed, which was as violent of a paradigm shift as anyone should have to endure, I have whittled my life down to a bare minimum. I have no car. I have no pets. I have no plants. I have no credit cards. My income is based on my donations from my itinerant peace travels and book sales. I have moved eight times since Casey died and now I can move with one small u-haul. I have a cell phone and computer, a bed, clothes, a few dishes, a few valued books and peace paraphernalia and pictures of my children and grandbabies.
As HD Thoreau said: “You don’t own your possessions, they own you.” This consumer orgiastic society makes us literal slaves to a system that is detrimental to our health. Freeing oneself from those chains frees one to be a full-time, or near full-time activist. “Simplify, simplify, simplify.”
Massive antiwar protest in this country is dead. We may as well acknowledge that and just bury the corpse, mourn, and then figure out a better way of doing things.
In the Christian tradition, death was only a prelude to new and better life and farmers well tell you that a seed has to die before a health-nourishing plant can be born and then there’s the ever ubiquitous example of the ugly, hairy, and yucky caterpillar being reborn as a magnificent and beautiful butterfly. Have I hammered you with enough clichés yet?
The key to turning this caterpillar of a country into a beautiful butterfly is in Peace and recognizing that no matter if one is Bush, Obama, McCain or Palin—these people don’t want Peace, but we do.
I think we lose the raw humanity of war when we allow ourselves to wallow in War Party politics. When the Democratic Wing of the War Party took over the mis-management of the Empire, the anti-war movement was effectively neutralized even though the wars weren’t.
So after we are done mourning, we get together as one human family to organize something that will bring positive change. We are not enemies with each other—we may be “enemies of the state,” but the state is our enemy.
No more marching in circles, it makes us dizzy.
No more signing petitions, it gives us writer’s cramp.
No more calling Congress-scum, the war machine is its master.
The establishment wants us to think that this busy-work has a chance to be effective—but when is the last time any of these tactics worked on a Federal level? Your president or your congress rep couldn’t care less want you think or want. Your vote doesn’t even count—in case you haven’t heard, they steal votes and falsely manipulate you, anyway.
I am going to close with my organization’s motivational quote. Peace of the ACTION takes our inspiration from a Mario Savio quote that he said on the steps of Sproul Hall at UC Berkeley, 46 years ago:
“There comes a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part. You have to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who own it, to the people who run it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.”

Posted by Cindy Sheehan at 11:54 AM
Now she's finally worth listening to.

The woman had no credibility protesting against GWB, he was directly responsible for her son's death, but carrying her fight on against war under another administration...

Especially good since she was used by the dems & the media to advance an agenda, something tells me we won't see this on CNN.
Wook, you got a link for that Sheehan story? Mike Church was slagging her last week on his show. I think some emails to him are in order.

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