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This is what happens when people do what you promote:

SAN FRANCISCO – A federal judge overturned California's same-sex marriage ban Wednesday in a landmark case that could eventually land before the U.S. Supreme Court to decide if gays have a constitutional right to marry in America.

Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker made his ruling in a lawsuit filed by two gay couples who claimed the voter-approved ban violated their civil rights.

Supporters argued the ban was necessary to safeguard the traditional understanding of marriage and to encourage responsible childbearing.

California voters passed the ban as Proposition 8 in November 2008, five months after the state Supreme Court legalized gay marriage.

"Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples," the judge wrote in a 136-page ruling that laid out in precise detail why the ban does not pass constitutional muster.
Caring parents of any kind don't hide their values from their children.
The best the smartest ones can do is raise them into a knowledge of them.
The world will teach them the rest.
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Judging from the news, there are many priests who should take this message, literally, to heart.
Seek (understanding) and ye shall find (it).

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Quote:This is what happens when people do what you promote:

SAN FRANCISCO – A federal judge overturned California's same-sex marriage ban Wednesday in a landmark case that could eventually land before the U.S. Supreme Court to decide if gays have a constitutional right to marry in America.

Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker made his ruling in a lawsuit filed by two gay couples who claimed the voter-approved ban violated their civil rights.

Supporters argued the ban was necessary to safeguard the traditional understanding of marriage and to encourage responsible childbearing.

California voters passed the ban as Proposition 8 in November 2008, five months after the state Supreme Court legalized gay marriage.

"Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples," the judge wrote in a 136-page ruling that laid out in precise detail why the ban does not pass constitutional muster.

IMHO Among heterosexual people and those of the gay persuasion, marriage marks the end of many short follies and the beginning of one long stupidity. <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/rofl.gif" alt="Rofl" title="rofl" />
Matthew 6

1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Prayer
5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.[a]' 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
2L2T,
Couldn't agree more about the priests.
Let 'em marry for crying out loud!
An ocean of grief could have been much reduced.
Probably two thousand years worth!
Matt 16:15

He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.

A witness can be in many ways. Many without Chapter and verse.
Matthew 16
1The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

2He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

3And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

4A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

5And when his disciples were come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread.

6Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

7And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.

8Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?

9Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

10Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

11How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

12Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

24Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.


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Matthew 19:16-17

16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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When I first saw the picture, I was stuck by how the host rock on Mars looks like Morrison Formation (old salt ocean seabed rock), and looking at the Blue Spheres was like knowing the answer to the 10 million (64,000) dollar Question.
The questions I would ask now, how do the same conditions exist on Mars and Earth and just how was the Great Basin formed (maybe side shot from Mars?) Rev. Gerald W. Rannells

Muaha
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Wow, I bow to your "biblical" wisdom - whichever "Bible" it comes from.

For me I like religious matters a bit more simple.

Judging is a matter of discretion.

Wars created by religious fundamentalism are evil.

Judging sexual orientation by consensus is evil.

The judge got it right.

"Judgement" is a matter for whichever God you believe in, physical, spiritual
or universal.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar...

cheers.


"Judgement" is a matter for whichever God you believe in, physical, spiritual
or universal.

We be in agreement.
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Sure enough Wook
Try Mark 16:15
Quick google and old eyes decieved me.
not to worry
I come from a long line of minsters and engineers
lol

1 Cor 3:16-17(NIV) Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.

if you have open mind
read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aquari ... the_Christ

Cheers.
and from a long line of miners
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mining for wisdom and truth..
it's an ongoing system!

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I think many in the large traditional churches see today's ruling as a major threat to Christianity, but in the long run it may very well help to return the church to it's roots of a few people meeting in each others homes to worship.
The very old established churches are all corrupted to the core, the very new mega churches are dabbling in politics and policies that have no place in the church Christ established.
Put under pressure to perform weddings of gays and lesbians, the old corrupted churches have long since abandoned the gospels and will simply shed any pretext of authority and go for it.
Those churches refusing to do so in light of the gospels will be sued out of existance for discrimination.
Those refusing to percieve that the tide has turned will be churned under as it sweeps over them.
The Church was meant to teach
Not rule.

Cheers.
We get 'our' hands on anything, aint long 'fore it's all messed up.
Try as we might, it's what we do.
Th sad part is that the Apostles never prohibited marriage or endorse celibacy, maybe many of the problems of the Catholic Church could have been averted if they allowed their priests to marry, but on the other hand I believe that a sick pedophile will always be a sick pedophile, catholic, Baptist, Lutheran or atheist.
The marriage ceremony is a man made institution. Until the middle ages churches were not involved at all. They should back out again.
From About.com:
Quote:There appeared to be many marriages taking place without witness or ceremony in the 1500's. The Council of Trent was so disturbed by this, that they decreed in 1563 that marriages should be celebrated in the presence of a priest and at least two witnesses. Marriage took on a new role of saving men and women from being sinful, and of procreation. Love wasn't a necessary ingredient for marriage during this era.
What you have is the church trying to control us. Is the church's purpose to control or teach and worship? We have enough tyrants in our lives and don't need the religious tyrants too. They could prevent all sin if they put us in chains in a prison cell so we couldn't steal, never talk to us so we couldn't lie, you get the idea.
"They could prevent all sin if they put us in chains in a prison cell so we couldn't steal, never talk to us so we couldn't lie"
sounds like Bushie, Obummer and Gubbymint plan.
Marriage man made? That is a question as old as man and woman themselves.

Ceremony yes.
Let any who will, have all the ceremony they want.
Let them inherit. Let them insure. Let them bond. Let them grant whatever they will to one another.
Why not?
Let them mount the pulpit in former churches and declare themselves Bishops if they choose.
(On that issue God has already spoken quite recently)

http://fratres.wordpress.com/2009/08/20 ... urch-pics/

Until they get in my face, or threaten my rights, I may find it discouraging, but little else beyond that.
To declare salvation or damnation is in God's hands.
Quote:Marriage man made? That is a question as old as man and woman themselves.

Ceremony yes.
Let any who will, have all the ceremony they want.
Let them inherit. Let them insure. Let them bond. Let them grant whatever they will to one another.
Why not?
Let them mount the pulpit in former churches and declare themselves Bishops if they choose.
(On that issue God has already spoken quite recently)

http://fratres.wordpress.com/2009/08/20 ... urch-pics/

Until they get in my face, or threaten my rights, I may find it discouraging, but little else beyond that.
To declare salvation or damnation is in God's hands.

what is the 'inverted cross' the article speaks of?
If the inverted cross is the Christian cross upside down, then it is an even holier statement by whomever is displaying it. Most have associated the upside down cross with Satan worship, but it actually came about when one of the guys about to be crucified said he wanted to be crucified upside down for whatever reason I have forgotten. So, for a long while, the upside down cross came to represent willingness to die for God in an even worse way than what happened to Christ. So it's kind of amusing when the Satanists trot it out like it some sort of bad thing when it actually is supposedly holier than the traditional cross. hahaha.
Gard,
At more or less the same moment the vote on gays in the clergy was to be taken, the convention center across the street where the voters were met, and the church that had promoted and hosted the event were both struct by a tornado. The cross atop the steeple of that church was twisted straight down to point at the ground, as in the picture in the link.
I talked to a to an ELCA attending Bishop who witnessed the damage done. He came to my former church here in town. Besides the church and center, little damage was done beyond a few branches in the immediate area (To his knowledge).
Moments before there had been no heavy clouds in the sky as they entered, and a fellow Bishop had remarked on the fine day.
He tried to laugh this off by saying 'Well you know what they'd have said about that five hundred years ago"
He didn't much care for the answer he got that day.
Nobody thought of it as a holy symbol.

"An upside-down Latin cross, based on a tradition that holds that Saint Peter was martyred by being crucified upside-down. Today it is often associated with anti-Christian or Satanic groups."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross


The fellow Arnik had in mind was Peter.
Fsbirdhouse,
You got the right story. What is interesting is the change in how people look at the upside down cross, from extremely holy to anti-Christian, or is it just that the anti-Christians thought they were doing something really bad by turning the cross upside down and didn't know that it actually represented Saint Peter. Ha. So good ol St. Peter is present at most of their meetings. hahahaha
I have to say that in most forums, when the subject of Christianity comes up, things can get very ugly, very fast.
It speaks very well of the members here of the respect and courtesy shown to the believers, in most cases, by a great many here who are not.
Keith, beside the great many other reasons you can be proud of your forum, add that to the list.
Quote:I have to say that in most forums, when the subject of Christianity comes up, things can get very ugly, very fast.
It speaks very well of the members here of the respect and courtesy shown to the believers, in most cases, by a great many here who are not.
Keith, beside the great many other reasons you can be proud of your forum, add that to the list.
Amen to that.
And I have resisted the temptation to write naughty one-liners in response to the thread title.
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Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Well
this could make the Case that Christ who "rose' on the 3rd day
has already performed the 2nd coming

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Ladies, I Want You to Raise Your Pinky For Me if You've Ever Masturbated!


Rev. Professor Sherman Whipple is a highly sought after Baptist Fellowship educator who will be teaching Marriage and Family 101 for Women this Fall Semester at Landover Baptist University.
“I want every young lady sitting before me today to raise your pinky if you’ve ever masturbated!” That’s how I intend to start my 'Marriage and Family Class for Women' this Fall semester at Landover Baptist University. I’ll tell my female students it doesn’t matter which pinky you raise up for me and Jesus. It don't matter to the Lord if it is your Godly right pinky or even your left pinky. Two pinkies are even more precious!

I’ve been preserving the cutting edge of Christian Education for 68-years. I’m going to approach my fellowship at L.B.U. this Fall semester with Bible based methods that get results! I’ve taught all over the world, and by the Grace of God, my reputation precedes me.

After a few of the girls in class raise their pinkies, I’ll say, “Now wiggle them pinkies for Jesus, Girls! That’s right! That’s good!”

When I see a few of them start wiggling their pinkies, I’ll ask them all to stand up. I’ll say, “I want every single one of you sinful young ladies in this lecture hall to stand up or I’ll march you right down to the Dean’s Office for lying!”

If any of the girls refuse to stand up, I’ll say, “GET UP OFF YOUR SEATS YOU LIARS! If you ain’t standing up, you are in danger of Hell Fire! If you don’t stand up, I’ll come make you stand up! I don’t want to see any of you go to HELL!”

When I have them all standing up, I’ll ask them to wiggle their pinkies as fast as they can and look me right in the eyes. I’ll say, “All my little girls shout: Pastor Whipple, IT FEELS SO GOOD!”

I’ll say, “It feels good, does it? Ya’ll are just plain sick! You ladies are a poor excuse for Christians! You give Jesus a bad name and you make me wanna throw up!”

When the girls are still standing up, I’m going ask them to think about what they're doing. I’m going to give them about a minute to think about it and then say, “If any of you girls are suffering, I want you to know I’m going to do my best to help you, even though you make me and Jesus sick to our stomachs.”

I’ll ask them to keep standing, look at me directly in my one good eye and shout: “Help me Pastor Whipple! I want to masturbate!”

I’ll be silent for a minute, and make them think I’m contemplating the matter before I say “The only way I can help any of you directly is if you schedule a private appointment with me in my office.” Then I’ll shush them and tell them all to look up in the sky. “Look up!” I’ll say. “LOOK UP and see if you can see Jesus!” I’ll ask them to shout: “I CAN SEE JESUS!” as an affirmation of their fragile womanly faith.

“He can see you TOO!,” I’ll tell them. “And He just told me ya’ll are a bunch of filthy whores! I swear on the heat of Hell, you batch of harlots this Fall semester are even dirtier ‘n that old slut, Mary Magdeline!”

I’ll ask my girls to shut their ignorant female pie-holes and show a man of God a little respect before asking them what they’re all doing still standing up! “SIT YOUR SIMPLE MINDED SELFISH SINNER'S SOULS DOWN!” I’ll yell at the top of my lungs! “Ya’ll are disobedient, rebellious woman! Every one of you deserves to be raped by the horny red razor-spiked tail of Lucifer himself! If only for the vile filth that spews forth from your adulterous little pouting lips! By God’s Authority I command each one of you tempestuous little school girl hussies to SHUT YOUR IGNORANT MOUTHS!”

When I have them all seated I’ll say, “If any of you stupid Baptist sluts still think you’re smarty pants enough to learn something today, say ‘A-men!’” If anyone doesn’t say ‘A-men,’ I will march right up to their chair, bend them over my lap, pull down their skirts and panties and spank their naked tender hind sides until they turn a flushed red! And I won’t bat my one good eye if I hear a whimper come from any of them!

When I’m finished disciplining each rebellious female student, I will return to my podium, wipe the sweat from my long-suffering brow and let my students know that their Godly parents have signed them up for a class they will not soon forget! “The things you will learn in my class, will stay with you for the rest of your pathetic lives!” I’ll tell them.

“You ain’t gonna find a husband if you can’t keep your fingers out of your dirty little hair holes!” I’ll remind them. “I haven’t even started this class yet and all you ugly little Baptist whores can’t wait to run back to your dorm rooms and masturbate to me! I'm gonna make funny face to ya'll - so look at me now! That's me lookin' crazy! NOW STOP LUSTIN'!”

I’ll be silent for a bit, then I’ll ask them all to bow their worthless heads. “I’m going to pray for ya’ll,” is what I’ll tell them. “I’m going to pray that Jesus guides my anointed tongue to clean out your dirty parts and enrich your sinful hearts this semester!”

I’ll do a preliminary lecture like this before each Marriage and Family Class. And I’m thinking about doing one before each class I teach at Landover Baptist University this Fall, including Refutation of Secular Mathematics, Advanced Creation Science/Biology and Baptist American English Literary Theory™.

I’m already thinking about my second preliminary lecture where I’ll begin by asking the ladies what they’re all doing with those curling irons of theirs, because as sure as the Lord is my Savior - I know they ain’t just using them to curl their hair with!

- Rev. Professor, Sherman Whipple
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