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Scientology = Religious Gangsters.

Not the first, certainly not the last.
I heard that the Scientology site crashed today. 'Anonymous' is on the case apparently.
A bunch of kids with not enough to do, craving justice in the world. If that ain't a tyrant's worst nightmare, I don't know what is.
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Aren't Scientologists, "Xenuphobic"?

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They ought to be scared, be very scared.
I mean why shouldn't they?
I would be if the Jesus of my religion was L. Ron Hubbard.
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Where is that Tom Cruise video?
I've not seen it yet.
Quote:They ought to be scared, be very scared.
I mean why shouldn't they?
I would be if the Jesus of my religion was L. Ron Hubbard.
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Where is that Tom Cruise video?
I've not seen it yet.

Top of thread.

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hmmm...
helping people!

so that's their game!

well, everyone loves being helped!

Hubbard sure was a help!

I suppose back in the Jack Parson day he was 'helping' in the Tom Cruise manner by doing all those OTO sex rituals with Jack and the redhead trying to concieve the antichrist..

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I guess I'm an SP
Scientology has something called an "E-meter".

There was that flick where Tom Cruise was a future cop.
A scene showed him working a weird virtual computer...lots of 90 degree control angles...pulse-width sort of stuff.
They should be afraid, very afraid
king trolls ...

second messgae
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yozvaMGkDjo


Some background
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BnRJXVQC0_0


Anonymous on Fox 11
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UxWgRY1I_SI

Re: Anonymous on FOX11 from anonymous
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uZ1qi9gz7UU&feature=related
here's an interesting and unusual snippet off of the Belgium connected child snuff and porn case that involves the so called satanic cults- with an intro to Scientology... which also involves the powerful and the mighty...

http://www.pehi.eu/dutroux/Belgian_X_do ... ivateintel

be warned this site contains info of the most perverted and horrific accusations by those who participated in actions and court cases as kidnapped and totally exploited children and adolescents...

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After reading this it occurred to me that the attacks on Scientology should also be considered attacks on the orgs that Parsons and Hubbard were also involved in, with great success, like the JPL in CA... Jet Propulsion Lab... highly esteemed business... hmmm

Quote:The story of Scientology is also very much relevant to the question if Gnosticism and-or hermeticism is Luciferian or not. Anyone who knows a thing or two about mystery religions and sees the Scientology logos will recognize a Rosicrucian influence. Coincidentally, L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology's founder, was introduced to the rituals of the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) (in turn preceded by Memphis Misraim, Martinism, Synarchism and Illuminism) by rocket scientist and JPL co-founder Jack Parsons. At this time Hubbard still was a lieutenant commander in the Navy and had not yet founded the Scientology church. Besides being one of the founders of America's space program alongside Theodore von Karman (coincidentally had a Kabbalah scholar and Rabbi as ancestor) and the controversial Wernher von Braun (the famous Nazi scientist from Operation Paperclip), Parsons used to be head of the OTO's Agape Lodge in Pasadena and a protege of Aleister Crowley. In his lengthy July 1983 interview with Penthouse, L. Ron Hubbard's son, Ronald DeWolf, claimed a number of interesting things about his father. DeWolf later reversed himself almost 180 degrees claiming a good deal of his Penthouse statements weren't true. However, some of the things he said sure are an interesting coincidence considering his father's connections to the OTO and the philosophies of Crowley and such Crowley-inspired men as Frank Ripel. Among other things, DeWolf claimed: "The Antichrist. Aleister Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947, my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast and become the most powerful being in the universe [sounds exactly like Ripel, read above]. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology --and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn't have worshiped anything. I mean, when you think you're the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything, let alone worship... The explanation [of black magic] is sort of long and complicated. The basic rationale is that there are some powers in this universe that are pretty strong. As an example, Hitler was involved in the same black magic and the same occult practices that my father was. The identical ones. Which, as I have said, stem clear back to before Egyptian times. It's a very secret thing. Very powerful and very workable and very dangerous. Brainwashing is nothing compared to it. The proper term would be "soul cracking." It's like cracking open the soul, which then opens various doors to the power that exists, the satanic and demonic powers. Simply put, it's like a tunnel or an avenue or a doorway. Pulling that power into yourself through another person --and using women, especially -- is incredibly insidious. It makes Dr. Fu Manchu look like a kindergarten student. It is the ultimate vampirism, the ultimate mind-fuck, instead of going for blood, you're going for their soul. And you take drugs in order to reach that state where you can, quite literally, like a psychic hammer, break their soul, and pull the power through. He designed his Scientology Operating Thetan techniques to do the same thing. But, of course, it takes a couple of hundred hours of auditing and mega-thousands of dollars for the privilege of having your head turned into a glass Humpty Dumpty --shattered into a million pieces.. I think [cults] are very dangerous and destructive. I don't think that anyone should think for you. And that's exactly what cults do. All cults, including Scientology, say, "I am your mind, I am your brain. I've done all the work for you, I've laid the path open for you. All you have to do is turn your mind off and walk down the path I have created." Well, I have learned that there's great strength in diversity, that a clamorous discussion or debate is very healthy and should be encouraged... Scientology and all the other cults are one-dimensional, and we live in a three-dimensional world. Cults are as dangerous as drugs. They commit the highest crime: the rape of the soul.... I think my father has received the ultimate punishment, which is being locked and trapped in his own insanity. There's no way out for him..."
Personally, I can't vouch for the legitimacy of most of EIR's or DeWolf's statements, including the existence of demons or angels. I can only say that cults like Martinism and Memphis Misraim ultimately are based on Luciferianism. They are meant to be very secretive while their leaders often come across as extremely irrational and vindicative. They reject the teachings of the Church, but have replaced them with different set of dogma.
It's likely, however, that many members in the organizations discussed here don't know anything about the dreadful activities described by EIR. There are several reasons for this, one being that I was immediately asked if I would be interested in becoming a 96º national head in Holland of the Memphis Misraim Rite after only one or two email inquiries. Of course, pretending to be a lawyer with friends in the Rotary in a country where Memphis Misraim apparently doesn't exist might have helped, but still. It's just another example that this whole degree system and the alleged spiritual quest behind it isn't to be taken very serious.
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Best case scenario is probably that this stuff doesn't work. Worst case scenario has
basically been described by EIR and Hubbard, Jr. above. The OTO, Golden Dawn,
Thelema, Thulism and Theosophy have all been inspired by the organization
Whoa.... whoa.. whoa!

hey wait a minute. Holy shite!
On that second vid by anonymous to scientology there is a clue on the helmet seen only for a second...
I may KNOW who anonymous is, matter of fact....
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trust me, their identity is safe, but it is the child of a VERY prominent scientologist.
G-MAC, is that what you mean, Keith?
can't say, but it's not standing for GMAC.
it's something entirely different.

and if this is who i think it is, they have every motive in the world to be VERY VERY bitter and seek retribution, being exposed to and headwashed by these folks from babyhood.
Lisa Marie perhaps?
I can't wait to see how this plays out Pinkelephant



whooooo child of a prominent
let the games begin


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SoCal Scientology Locations Get Letters With Mystery Powder
ASSOCIATED PRESS
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state...yhoax.html
1:35 p.m. January 31, 2008

LOS ANGELES – Authorities Thursday were trying to determine who sent envelopes containing apparently harmless powder to Church of Scientology locations, prompting street closings and evacuations.

Envelopes containing the mysterious white powder were mailed to at least 19 church addresses in Los An-geles and Orange counties, FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller said.

The letters began showing up Wednesday. Glendale police shut down a street for two hours and Tustin authorities evacuated 60 people from buildings as hazardous materials teams were called in.

Initial tests indicated the powder was harmless but more tests were being conducted, Eimiller said.

The church declined immediate comment and referred questions to police.
L. Ron Hubbard Sucks: Top 10 quotes from the founder of Scientology

The Church of Scientology is back in the news, with Germany denying a movie crew the right to film a Tom Cruise movie on government land because of Cruise’s outspoken support for Scientology, which is considered an illegal cult in Germany. Why would people think that Scientology is a crazy cult? You might want to take a look at these 10 quotes from the founder of Scientology, science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard:

1. He followed his own advice in this case:

“Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion”


2. “Anti-Chinese Racism, from a 1928 diary entry:

[The Chinese] have neither the foresight or endurance to overrun any white country in any way except by intermarriage. One American marine could stand off a great many yellowmen without much effort.

A Chinaman can not live up to a thing, he always drags it down.

They smell of all the baths they didn’t take.
The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here. “

3. On training black South Africans in the ways of Scientology:

“The South African native is probably the one impossible person to train in the entire world; he is probably impossible by any human standard.”

4. On Japanese people and their language:

“One of the reasons they [the Japanese] have bad eyesight is probably these microscopic characters [furigana] which have many lines and strokes to them.& We wonder why they went mad and bombed Pearl Harbor when they knew they couldn’t win. That [the Japanese language] would be a reason.”

5. On Arabs, from a 1958 lecture:

“He’s [the Arab] been going crazy steadily and gradually ever since he lost the early very fertile basins of the Middle East. He’s been going crazy ever since he failed to learn wheat farming and brought about the erosion of all of the fertile areas of the Middle East.

This race has been going for a very, very long time and has been eating death for a very long time and it is death.”

6. Apartheid Apologist:

“The problem of South Africa is different than the world thinks. There is no native problem. The native worker gets more than white workers do in England!

The South African government is not a police state. It’s easier on people than the United States government!”

7. On dealing with criticism:

“Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown.”

8. Threatening anyone who opposes Scientology:

“We are slowly and carefully teaching the unholy a lesson. It is as follows: We are not a law enforcement agency. BUT we will become interested in the crimes of people who seek to stop us. If you oppose scientology we promptly look up - and find and expose - your crimes. If you leave us alone we will leave you alone.

It’s very simple. Even a fool can grasp that.

And don’t underrate our ability to carry it out.”

9. Anti-Democratic:

“And I don’t see that popular measures, self-abnegation and democracy have done anything for Man but push him further into the mud. Currently, popularity endorses degraded novels, self-abnegation has filled the Southeast Asian jungles with stone idols and corpses, and democracy has given us inflation and income tax.”

10. Another look at his advice for life. Compare with number 1.

“Make money. Make more money. Make other people make money.”

http://www.who-sucks.com/people/l-ron-h ... cientology
This is interesting

Quote:7. On dealing with criticism:

“Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown.”

8. Threatening anyone who opposes Scientology:

“We are slowly and carefully teaching the unholy a lesson. It is as follows: We are not a law enforcement agency. BUT we will become interested in the crimes of people who seek to stop us. If you oppose scientology we promptly look up - and find and expose - your crimes. If you leave us alone we will leave you alone.

It’s very simple. Even a fool can grasp that.

And don’t underrate our ability to carry it out.”
It's important to consider why people let themselves be slaves.

Read The Mind Parasites, by Colin Wilson.
A mysterious plague of insanity is sweeping the planet......
Investigators discover that nightmares from another dimension have seeped into the minds of certain weak-willed people...who then do terrible things......

Kenneth Grant's CULTS OF THE SHADOW connects The Cthulhu Mythos with Crowley's Cabala.

The Book of The Law says
The slaves shall serve......
Quote:It's important to consider why people let themselves be slaves.

Read The Mind Parasites, by Colin Wilson.
A mysterious plague of insanity is sweeping the planet......
Investigators discover that nightmares from another dimension have seeped into the minds of certain weak-willed people...who then do terrible things......

Kenneth Grant's CULTS OF THE SHADOW connects The Cthulhu Mythos with Crowley's Cabala and beliefs born in dark ages of red ruin.

The Book of The Law says
The slaves shall serve......

The Mind Parasites, by Colin Wilson.- that would make a lot of things make sense. I've been trying to pinpoint the area of what time these parasites took hold of the masspeople in recent times. My father, after a "tour in the Med..." early 60s for 6 months or so said when he came home it was most noticable to him that it 'had radically changed... that even the old people had gotten rude and sarcastic-changed, eager to be cruel and mean hearted" ... which tptb tried to cover with their dumping tons of drugs on the people from all directions... first valiums and barbituates for the straights and the other illicits for the yunguns... then blaming the behaviors of society on the people themselves, neverminding the hideous illegal invasions, draft and filthy reptilian behaviors of the stealer's class.
Quote:I've been trying to pinpoint the area of what time these parasites took hold of the masspeople in recent times.

It was when Nixon destroyed NASA.
I read The Mind Parasites in the 70s. Is it still out of print? I haven't seen a copy in any used bookstore.
According to Amazon, etc. there are new/used copies out there...try Powell's Bookstore

There was a sequel, The Philosopher's Stone......

Have you looked at Wilson's John Dee version of The Necronomicon?

Some people believe that Lovecraft had access to arcane lore through his father...who was, I think, a member of the Egyptian Masons(?)
1960s:

1960: US Food and Drug Administration approves first contraceptive pill.
Sirima Bandaranaike elected Prime Minister of Sri Lanka; she is the world’s first elected female Premier.
30.6 % of American wives work outside the home.

1961: John F. Kennedy sworn in as president.
Berlin wall erected; Cold War era begins.
Alan Shepard, Jr., becomes the first American in space.
US supports the unsuccessful Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba.
Chubby Checkers introduces the Twist.

1962: Rachel Carson publishes Silent Spring, a searing criticism of American environmental policy.
Levi-Strauss executive Alfred Sanguiretti identifies this as the “breakout” year for jeans wear.

1963: Martin Luther King, Jr., gives his “I have a dream” speech to a crowd of 300,000 in front of the Lincoln Memorial.
Betty Freidan instigates Second-Wave feminist movement with the publication of The Feminine Mystique.
President Kennedy assassinated in Dallas, Texas; Lyndon Johnson replaces him.

1964: Congress passes the Civil Rights Act, ending legal discrimination on the basis of race or gender.
US Surgeon General LeRoy Burney declares that smoking causes heart disease and lung cancer; from now on, cigarette packs carry warning labels.
Beatles debut in America on the Ed Sullivan show.
President Johnson debuts his “Great Society” reform program.

1965: President Johnson sworn in for the second time.
Vietnam War begins.
Mary Quant introduces the miniskirt.
Malcolm X assassinated in Manhattan, New York.
Over 90% of Southern black students still in all-black schools.

1966: Indira Gandhi becomes India’s third Prime Minister, its first female Prime Minister.

1967: “Six Day War” begins between Israel and its Arab neighbors.

1968: Martin Luther King, Jr., is assassinated in Memphis, Tennessee.
Supreme Court introduces concept of “affirmative action” in its ruling on Green v. County School Board of New Kent (Virginia).

1969: Richard Nixon sworn in as president.
American Neil Armstrong is the first man to step foot on the moon.
Supreme Court’s ruling on Alexander v. Holmes Board of Education reaffirms the importance of integration by calling for immediate, rather than incremental, desegregation.
Golda Meir becomes Israel’s fourth Prime Minister, its first female Prime Minister.
400,000 attend the Woodstock Music Festival in Bethel, New York.
Tate La Bianca murders.

http://www.eisnermuseum.org/educators/y ... eline.shtm

Counter culture dates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countercul ... _the_1960s
A Few Thoughts on Mind Parasites
Jonathan Zap

The Sick Rose
O rose thou art sick.
The invisible worm
That flies in the night
In the howling storm
Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy,
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy


—William Blake, Songs of Innocence and Experience, Plate 37

“Mind Parasites” is a term coined by Colin Wilson in his seminal novel of ideas entitled, The Mind Parasites. I am working on a much more thorough treatment of the subject in an upcoming book entitled, Casting Precious into the Cracks of Doom: Urgent Messages of Metamorphosis from the Mythologies of our Time.

Sometime this summer I expect to update these notes on mind parasites with a summary of my more recent thoughts and observations. Meanwhile, what follows is a brief study of a particular episode in Heretics of Dune (the 4th book in the classic science fiction series by Frank Herbert) that I found to contain one of the most incisive, conscious expositions on the inner biological, energetic dynamics of the mind parasites.

The excerpted portions may also give an idea of the depth of esoteric knowledge available from a careful reading of the Dune books, but is by no means a representative episode, and is just one of a myriad of jewels embedded in this great fantasy work.

This excerpt is unique in my experience of fiction in that the mind parasite is given a fully conscious voice. This chapter also epitomizes a theme that cuts across all the Dune books—Herbert is always showing social and historical transactions as a complex flow of energy. Power structures are always trying to maintain a flow of energy that has made them powerful through transactions where they capture more energy than they expend.

In the chapter, a highly conscious warrior character, Miles Teg, enters a room where he is to meet with an “Honored Matre” a powerful adept of a renegade sisterhood that has a vast and sinister array of powers (this is the mind parasite character) Teg recognizes that the building and the room appear to be those of a high level bank, and the Honored Matre acknowledges his recognition as having a deeper meeting. She tells Teg, “There are always means of transferring large sums or selling power. I do not speak of the power that runs factories, but of the power that runs people . . . I think of myself as a banker.”

This represents a boiling down of an essential truth. Our individual struggle with mind parasites is always about a flow of energy. A banker quantifies and protects the energy units he has accumulated while attempting to have a flow of energy where he captures more units than he expends. This is what a parasite or a predator does. Therefore, to follow the suggestions of Gurdjieff and others we notice mechanical patterns where conditioning (cellular and social) causes us to drain ourselves of psychic and bodily resources that are not worth their return and we try to reverse this flow. Human energy is the sweetest, the most potent and rich energy available on this plane so there are arch-parasites, that are incredibly shrewd, that feed off this energy—in the Gurdjieffian paradigm this is called “being food for the moon.”

The chapter begins with a quotation that states the law of the minimum: “Growth is always limited by that necessity which is least available.” This banking law applies to any living system from a planet, a civilization, a government, a human psyche. To apply this to your own life, you can ask yourself “what necessity is least available that is limiting my growth?” Sometimes this could be an environmental factor: in a famine it might be food, sometime it seems like money or time which are often interdependent. It might be will or whatever means are necessary to keep oneself from a depotentiating addiction like eating inferior foods, smoking, unconscious sex, etc. The banker’s perspective is to see where energy is being conserved or stolen. As the Honored Matre says (on viewing her as a banker) “it...saves a lot of muddy and distressful circumlocutions.”

The Honored Matre (hereafter abbreviated as HM) tells Teg that she expects him to be of great value to her (i.e., we expect to make an energic deposit of your talents). Teg responds “I’ve always thought I was of most value to myself.” This stance of inner independence is another energic message: I will not be drained by an external parasite. Appropriately, the HM is infuriated by this statement. Sounding like an evil Gurdjieffian, the HM refers to the collective as “Muck” She tells Teg: “Their curiosity is narrow gauge. No great issues ever enter their awareness. . . . We work to keep it that way.” Appropriately the HM is both extremely ancient (because the parasitic forces she represents are ancient) and also she is recognized by Teg as a supremely dangerous opponent (he recognizes her as “the Beast”). She has the arrogance of a predator that has sat on top of the food chain for millennia.

A universal Dune theme is: Who can overcome an enormously over-determined predator/parasitic power structure? The answer is always a heretical mutant, an individuated being with superior consciousness as the weapon of rebellion. Again, viewing HM as a brilliant personification of mind parasite forces, she is extremely straightforward (at least to Teg) that the collective—which she calls “the Muck”—is what the HM feed off of, and therefore they expend significant energy to ensure that the collective remains unconscious. She tells Teg: “It’s just that you think of the muck in the wrong way. . . Luckily, they are mostly self-limiting. They know this somewhere in the damps of their deepest consciousness but cannot spare the time to deal with that or anything else except the immediate scramble for survival.” Sardonically, Teg asks: “They cannot be improved?” HM replies: “They must not be improved! Oh, we see to it that self improvement remains a great fad among them. Nothing real about it, of course” (this immediately reminds me of Terence McKenna’s arch-comment on New Agers: “They’re willing to try anything so long as it doesn’t work”).

Teg replies: “Another luxury they must be denied.”

HM responds: “Not a luxury! Nonexistent! It must be occluded at all times behind a barrier that we like to call protective ignorance.”

A little later the HM states something that seems a perfect definition of a sub set of Kundebuffer: “The thing you beware of is the opposite of what-you-do not-know.” She also tells Teg, in so many words, that conservatism is always the reigning creed of parasitic forces. They, of course (like Republican oilmen), want to defend the status quo that allows them to steal energy. She tells Teg: “We teach that new knowledge can be dangerous.”

The HM control populations through a pathologized form of Bene Gesserit sexual imprinting. They are able to create so much pleasure in males that they can completely enslave them. This happens to one of Teg’s staff whose name is Muzzafar (hereafter MZ). When MZ appears subserviently behind HM his face is flushed and his eyes bright—apparently he has just had a rewarding sexual episode. Mind parasites can enslave through pleasure more easily than pain. Gesturing to MZ, HM tells Teg ominously: “One day I will permit you to stand behind me this way.” Teg is consoled by the intuitive recognition that neither HM or MZ enjoys their lives much. He sees essentially (my words) that consciousness ultimately has more vitality, that evil tends to depotentiate because it lacks internal vitality and must always feed off external stimulants to which it becomes ever more jaded (habituation). In other words, the moon can only reflect the sun's light. By the way, I was listening to a book on tape, All the Pretty Houses, when I encountered another example that there is an archetypal association between the moon and mind parasites. The hero, heart broken, looks up at the moon and realizes that there must be parasitic deities that feed off of human suffering.

HM continues: “You see that I have power? . . . . I am a banker, remember? We have just made a deposit with our loyal. . . .”

MZ. “Do you thank us, MZ?”

MZ: “I do, Honored Matre.”

HM: “In essence, power such as ours is allowed to become the substance of survival for many people. Then, the threat of withdrawal is all that's required for us to rule. Would you like us to withdraw or favor from you, MZ?”

MZ: “No, HM.” Teg sees that MZ is trembling at that suggestion.

Teg: “You have found a new drug.”

HM: “No, Bashar! We have an old one . . . Like all others we control, Bashar, you have a choice: death or obedience.”

Teg: “That is a rather old choice.” He agreed.

http://edj.net/mc2012/Zapfiles2.html



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Negotium perambulans in tenebris
What's that tattered heap lying upon these burning sands?
Is it a mirage? A pile of old clothes? Or is it - God help us!
something that was once a man?

After a few choking sips of water from a goatskin bag,
his ravaged throat and blackened tongue give utterance
to a tale of Evil so weird, so appalling, as to make
the most diabolical intrigues of Dr. Fu Manchu
read like a press release from the Kiwanis Club...

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As an addenda, you know Kalter that John Dee
was the one who changed our freaking calender
don't you?..

Big time deal with the devashans, not goodones
very sticky ever since..
like fly paper

I believe I have that copy you spoke of
above somewhere, I remember it was quite
distasteful reading, viscerally so..
No, I did not know that Dee changed the calendar. Why???

Any links...just so I don't have to push the buttons?

What do you think of that Sumerian Necronomicon...put out by "Simon"?
I thought it was a creepy and purposeful pyschic looush

Dee was the obvious choice as advisor. One of the leading scientific figures in England, and possessed of one of the largest private libraries in the country, he had a command of the latest astronomical learning (Copernicus included) as well as of current antiquarian and historical writing, both necessary for an understanding of the calendar issue. Dee was also a long-time associate of the Elizabethan regime. He had been imprisoned under Mary, had given astrological advice as to the date of the queen's coronation, had acted as agent for Walsingham, and with him was among the advocates of a "blue water" foreign policy combining protestant alliances with voyages of exploration and colonization.[3]

Dee clearly regarded the request as important, for he dropped everything to work on the problem and on 26 February delivered to Lord Treasurer Burghley a 62-page illuminated treatise, entitled: A playne Discourse and humble Advise for our Gratious Queen Elizabeth, her most Excellent Majestie to peruse and consider, as concerning the needful Reformation of the Vulgar Kalendar for the civile years and daies accompting, or verifyeng, according to the time truely spent.[4]

The Playne discourse had two parts: one scientific, one polemical. Dee began by explaining how the motions of the solar system were translated into the "vulgar kalendar". He compared the figures given for the length of the year by a number of astronomers from classical to modern times, finishing with Copernicus and the protestant Michael Maestlin, a strong critic of the Gregorian reform.[5] He concluded that the calendar had indeed slipped out of line by ten days since the time of the council of Nicaea, but more to the point that it had slipped by eleven days since the time of Christ. In the polemical section which followed the astronomical analysis, Dee developed this line of argument.

The Romanists have done verie imperfectly, in chosing and preferring the time of Nicene Councell, to be the principal marke, and foundation of reforming the Kalendar: Although that Nicene Councell ... ought chiefly of all Christians to be regarded & kept in memorie... Christians should regard his [Christ's] birth as the "Radix of Time" ...

An eleven-day alteration, to the time of Christ, rather than a ten-day alteration to the time of Nicaea, was needed, concluded Dee. This would best be done not in a single leap, as the pope proposed, but by deducting the eleven days in batches of two or three from the ends of the months May to September 1583, which would both minimize any disruption to contracts and covenants and avoid affecting the nominal date of any religious festival or of the Trinity legal term. The royal authority, he argued, was quite sufficient to alter the civil calendar.[6] England would be out of step with much of the continent but, insisted Dee, "the Gregorian negligence" was to blame for this, "not any our affected singularity, or insufficiency". England's difference could be turned to advantage. The queen, recommended Dee, should publish a special calendar for 1583, the "Annus Reformationis", followed in 1584 by a "Queen Elizabeth's perpetual Kalendar" for the next century or two accompanied by an appeal to all other countries to follow England's lead. Thus, before the Gregorian reform had widely taken root, England would lead a sort of protestant counter-reformation of the calendar whose patent truthfulness would in the end oblige even the pope to "embrace the veritie".

Burghley perused the treatise and was "inclined to think him in the right line" having proved his point "by a great number of good authorities, such as I think the Romanists cannot denie". Visiting Dee, he persuaded him to concede one crucial point:

He yeldeth for conformitye with the rest of the world to assent to the reformation of our Engleshe calender, with the abridgement of x. daies onelie; so as the trewthe be denounced to the world that yt ought to be xj. dayes, hoping the trewthe will drawe the Romanestes and other partes of Christendome to take owt of their Calender hereafter the said odd daie.

Dee consented to let the matter be referred "by hir Majesties order to sum skilful men in this science, as Mr. Digges and others, to be called owt of the Universities". Burghley added that it was urgent, "for that it is requisite, for a secrett matter, to be reformed before November".[7]

Those consulted had impeccable protestant and Copernican credentials: .Thomas Digges (also a former pupil of Dee and well known to Burghley); [8] Henry Savile, founder-to be of Oxford's Savilean chairs of astronomy and geometry; [9] and "Mr Chambers", a progressive astronomer.[10] The scientists (claimed Burghely) agreed with Dee that eleven days would have been "the better reformation" but pointed out that the Gregorian reform was at least accurate to the time of the council of Nicea, "and therefore to accord the better with all countries adjacent that have received that reformation of subtracting ten days only, they think it may be assented unto, without any manifest error". Dee accordingly (but grudgingly) revised his almanac for 1583 to omit ten (rather than eleven) days from the months May to September 1583, "without changing of any feast or holiday moveable or fixed, or without altering of the course of Trinity Term". [11]
http://www.hermetic.ch/cal_stud/jdee.html

http://www.johndee.org/charlotte/pdf/Chapter12.pdf

http://www.johndee.org/charlotte/pdf/Chapter18.pdf


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More Dee Trivia you probably already know

Active in British military and diplomatic affairs. John Dee was 'Queen's Intelligencier' to Queen Elizabeth 1 and a close associate of Sir Francis Walsingham, founder of the British Secret Service. In 1582 Dee's crystal, through contact with angelic spheres, revealed the keys to the Enochian language. The angel instructed Dee and his friend Edward Kelly to point to specific letters which when reversed backwards and forwards revealed messages. The crystal was used to fortell events of a political and military nature, for example regarding the fate of the British Empire and the Spanish Armada. Dee's practice of military/political scrying for Walsingham and Queen Elizabeth 1 is a precursor to the 1972-1995 US Military remote viewing program. The Enochian language was later studied by Aleister Crowley and US rocket scientist Jack Parsons of the O.T.O. In 1994 the Enochian letters were used as glyphs to operate the arc angle in the MGM film 'Stargate' one year before the US remote viewing program, 'Stargate', was made public. A series of remote viewing drawings were made in the presence of Dr John Dee's scrying crystal at the Science Museum, London and experiments were made using Dee's Aztek/Obsidian mirror at the British Museum.

John Dee’s father was a Welshman called Rowland Dee, a merchant and gentleman tailor at the court of Henry VIII, in which capacity he would have made clothing for the royal household, as well as buying and supplying fabrics for the King. Dee's mother Jane Wild, married his father when she was just fifteen years of age, and John Dee was born three years later in Tower Ward, London on the 13th July 1527 (John was their first and only child).

Such was his father’s affluence; he was able to give his son a decent education. Dee first attended Chantry School in Chelmsford, Essex from 1537 – 1542, when at the age of 15, he began his higher education at St. John’s College Cambridge studying Greek, Latin, Philosophy, Geometry, Mathematics and Astronomy. In 1546, Dee graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree and was made a Fellow of St John's College. In December that same year, he was made a Founding Fellow of the newly formed Trinity College with the post of ‘Under Reader of Greek’, receiving in 1548 his Master of the Arts degree.

While he was at Cambridge, a serious charge of sorcery was brought against him. Dee had created a mechanical flying beetle for a stage production of Aristophanes’ "Pax"; which apparently was so realistic some thought it the work of the devil. These were the early days of scientific exploration in many fields, when many new discoveries were viewed with scepticism and closely allied with witchcraft and sorcery. Such accusations would plague Dee for much of his life.

After clearing his name and unhappy with the scientific attitude and accusations that had been levelled at him in England, in 1548 Dee travelled to Europe to continue his education. Arriving at Louvain University in Belgium on 24th of June, he studied under Gemma Frisius and formed a close friendship with his student Gerardus Mercator (both were leading lights in the fields of Mathematics, Astronomy and Geography). In 1550 he travelled up to Brussels were he met and exchange views with many of the leading scholars and mathematicians of the day.

That same year Dee moved on to the Sorbonne in Paris where he was invited to lecture on ‘Euclid’ (the Greek mathematician cica 300 BC. Euclid was most important for his use of the deductive principles of logic as the basis of Geometry. His book ‘The Elements’ was used as a textbook on geometry for over 2000 years). Dee was an impressive lecturer and his lectures were extremely popular, it was reported that people filled his lecture room whenever he was speaking. Indeed he was so popular and successful, he was offered a post as Professor of Mathematics, and received offers of patronage from many European Monarchs and nobles. Dee however refused them all, wishing to continue his career back in England.

While in Europe, Dee became heavily influenced by the occult writings of Henry Cornelius Agrippa (1486-1535), a protégé of abbot Johann Trithemius, and during his travels began collecting what would become one of the largest private collections of rare books, manuscripts and curios in Europe at that time. Many of his books were associated with Science, Hermetic knowledge, Occult philosophy and Alchemy. On his return to England in 1551, Dee brought back not only his collection of rare books, but also an important collection of mathematical and astronomical instruments, including the maps, charts and globes he had worked on with Frisius and Mercator.


can't find the exact reference to the deal he made
may be in one of my books..

anyway the result of this was an 11 day offset of what had been
very precise lunar/solar or what you would call the old stellar calendaric system
It ripped time..
and essentially enslaved us all

we've been suffering the consequences ever since
Quote:According to Amazon, etc. there are new/used copies out there...try Powell's Bookstore

There was a sequel, The Philosopher's Stone......

Have you looked at Wilson's John Dee version of The Necronomicon?

Some people believe that Lovecraft had access to arcane lore through his father...who was, I think, a member of the Egyptian Masons(?)
The "new" copies were printed in 1977.

Lovecraft had access to arcane lore via his imagination. He was a fiction writer. His father died when he was very young and he lived with his mother, grandfather, and two maiden aunties.
Quote:John Dee’s father was a Welshman called Rowland Dee...

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Quote:In English law, the legal year is the calendar during which the judges sit in court. The years is divided into four terms: Michaelmas from October to December, Hilary from January to April, Easter from April to May and Trinity term from June to July.
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What can I say they have very little imagination.
that would be interesting eh?



I would suppose if you wanted to really mind fork
a population into submission that skewing the calendar
and supplanting all the precious high holy days (to not on the right days)
with semi resemblant saints and re-mythicized aka hijacked
stories, you'd pretty much have it made..

the time thing was probably what made it a done deal...

Celtic holidays really aren't on the right days anymore
interestingly many are off by about 10 or 11 days..
The only ones that remain correct, I believe are the
ones which were previously celebrated on full moons

Couldn't erase that part
Yes...many questions are raised about laws dealing with the passage of time.

Daylight Savings Time...variously justified for reasons of crime, traffic and energy control......
"Spring Forward...Fall Back" recalls The Myth of Sisyphus, thereby forcing the populace to accept being slaves on a deep circadian level.
I think DST came into law through Nixon.

Sleeping & Waking are like voltage and current in a power equation.

The electronics mnemonic is "ELI THE ICE MAN"

This means that voltage leads current in an inductive circuit
...and that current leads voltage in a capacitive circuit.

Sooo...it seems that DST imposes an artificial modulation upon the natural human power curve.
On the other hand, people already were used to waking up by alarm clocks...so what difference does it make to tell people it's 7AM/PM when it's clearly not?

A lot of people prefer to sleep late and stay up late. Others are the opposite. Once the individual rhythm is changed then it can't be healthy.
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