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By Tristan Emmanuel on January 31, 2008 1:00 AM

http://www.noapologies.ca/2008/01/how-t ... d-men.html

Have you ever wondered why Christian men are so emasculated? Or why most normal red-blooded men find it absolutely impossible to relate to today's clergy?

You're not alone.

I use to think the problem was me; that I was old fashioned - at least that's what I was told.

But then I had an epiphany.

God didn't send girly-men to preach the gospel, build churches and reform society back in the days of the early Church. And He certainly won't do that today either.

I've been writing a small miniseries on the state of our culture. I've predicated everything on one strategy: if we reform and revive the church, we'll see reformation and revival in society as well.

Last week I touched on worship. This week the focus is masculinity. And I think that as a part of a strategy to change society we need to stop emasculating maleness in men.

The solution is simple. Start encouraging men in the church to be men - not women in drag.

I'm not the only one to say this.

Author David Murrow has written a very important book on the subject: Why Men Hate Going to Church. He confirms my theory. Men don't feel welcomed in churches anymore because Christianity has been feminized.

Murrow relates several important statistics in his book:

* The typical U.S. congregation draws an adult crowd that's 61% female, 39% male. This gender gap shows up in all age categories.
* On any given Sunday there are 13 million more adult women than men in America's churches.
* This Sunday almost 25 percent of married, churchgoing women will worship without their husbands.
* Midweek activities often draw 70 to 80 percent female participants.
* As many as 90 percent of the boys who are being raised in church will abandon it by their 20th birthday. Many of them will never return.
* More than 90 percent of American men believe in God, and five out of six call themselves Christians. But only two out of six attend church on any given Sunday. The average man accepts the reality of Jesus Christ, but fails to see any value in going to church.

These are absolutely frightening statistics, but they are not surprising.

J. Grant Dys argues on his blog that the spinoff effects of this reality can be seen in our families (or at least what's left of them), our schools, our clubs, and in the prisons of our society. And ironically, with the death of genuine masculinity, an increasing number of young men are seeking to reclaim their manhood in homosexuality.

On a cultural level we all know that the idea of a "real man" has almost been beaten out of our social consciousness. Men are objects of scorn and vilification. Watch any T.V. commercial or sitcom and you'll witness a barrage of attacks, all designed to assault the dignity of real masculinity and the historic male role model as provider and protector.

I'm not saying anything new here. Many have already made this point; some much better than I. But what concerns me isn't that THE broader culture has rejected masculinity, it is that the church has aided and abetted this concept of manhood as a pariah. And it's not just the liberal churches that are guilty on this score.

All too often the pastoral "role model" in Evangelical circles mirrors that Simpson's character, the "Reverend Love Joy". Our pastors are either quaint, odd, harmless pushovers or they are slick metrosexual types who can cry at the drop of a dime - literally - but have absolutely no courage to stand up against real evil or teach the unequivocal truth with authority.

They've suppressed godly male assertiveness, opting instead to "be nice." They have abdicated their calling to "speak the truth" in the interest of political correctness. And they have decided that manipulating people with emotional self help books and anecdotal sermonizing is better for the bottom line than training and teaching the men in their congregations to be leaders and warriors for Christ. And as a result, the Evangelical church is suffering from a dearth of real men.

Is feminism to blame?

No doubt feminism is a force of evil in North American society. It is evil not because it has tried to establish equality. Rather it is precisely because it hasn't established equality that it is guilty of perpetrating a fraud. What feminism has succeeded in doing is to convince both sexes that the only masculine identity that is valuable is an effeminate male. That in fact, the only way for equality to exist is for men to be like women, or to simply not exist.

Now we can blame the feminist movement all we want. But it won't change a thing because in the end, men have embraced their own feminization. As Dys points out, men have done this to themselves because they have become soft and lazy.

Men are far more interested in accommodating the women's movement than in asserting their masculinity. And whether that's because we want to be "popular with the girls," because we are too insecure and unsure about leading, or if it comes out of sheer exasperation - "You want to take over the leadership? Go ahead, I just don't want to argue anymore" - we've conceded our role in family, church and the state.

But let's be clear about one thing; we had no right to abdicate that responsibility.

The solution is very simple: men need to be men again. They need to take up their responsibility the way God intended them to behave. And the church needs to re-learn how to help them do that again.
And now that men are what they've always been eager to ascribe to women, major chatterboxes on their mobile cell phones, they're getting a further kick in their nuts by their love of what's literally joined to their hips... their cell phones...

http://article.wn.com/view/WNAT5B7484BC ... 3DF83E252/

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So have they all turned into a bunch of girley men that shoot blanks?
Sorta thinking it's a little more than churchianity

I think men and women really don't understand each other very well
Men have been listening to what we say we want and dumbing themselves
down into disconnected drones resenting and trying to be what their mothers
and girlfriends and previous wives told em to be when really it's never been
what a real deep woman has ever wanted..

Meanwhile the women were sold a similar bill of goods

Truth is a real woman's like a weather system and that
scares the living shit out of men so read up get smart
for times awastin and for the love of God/Goddess/all that is

Stop Hoping for Your Woman to get Easier


A woman often seems to test her man's capacity to remain unperturbed in his truth and purpose. She tests him to feel his freedom and depth of love, to know that he is trustable. Her tests may come in the form of complaining, challenging him, changing her mind, doubting him, distracting him, or even undermining his purpose in a subtle or not so subtle way. A man should never think his woman's testing is going to end and his life will get easier. Rather, he should appreciate that she does these things to feel his strength, integrity, and openness. Her desire is for his deepest truth and love. As he grows, so will her testing.

Every moment of your life is either a test or a celebration. The same is true about every moment with your woman, only doubly so. Not only is her simple existence a test for you, but one of her deepest pleasures in intimacy is testing you, and then feeling you are not moved off course by her challenge.

The most erotic moment for a woman is feeling that you are Shiva, the divine masculine: unperturbable, totally loving, fully present, and all?pervading. She cannot move you, because you already are what you are, with or without her. She cannot scare you away, because you already penetrate her in fearless love, pervading her heart and body. She cannot distract you, because your one?pointed commitment to truth will not bend to her wiles. Feeling this hugeness of love and freedom in you, she can trust you, utterly, and surrender her testing in celebration of love.

Until she wants to feel you as Shiva again. And then the testing will begin anew. In fact, it is precisely when you are most Shiva?like that she will most test you.

Perhaps you have been working toward some financial goal, and finally you have succeeded. After months or years of effort, you have creatively earned a large amount of money. You feel happy, full, successful. You feel great. You come home to your woman and want to share the news with her.

"I just made a million dollars today."

That's nice."

"That's nice!!?? You know how hard I've been working for this."

"I know. It feels like I haven't seen you in months. Did you remember to pick up the milk on the way home?"

"Oh, sorry. I forgot. But who cares? We could buy a dairy farm now!"

"I asked you to pick up the milk three times this morning, and I put a note on your briefcase. How could you forget?"

"I said I'm sorry. Look, I'll go get the damn milk....
"

Why is she being this way? Because she simply wants to deflate your success? No. She is challenging you because your success doesn't mean shit to her, unless you are free and loving. And if you are free and loving, nothing she says can collapse you. She wants to feel you are uncollapsable, so she pokes you in your weak spot.

Of course she knows how much this moment of success means to you. This is precisely why she is negating it. Not because she wants to hurt you. But because she wants to feel Shiva. She wants to feel your strength. She wants to feel that your happiness is not dependent on her response, nor on you making a million dollars. She wants to feel you are a superior man.

It's a tall order to be this free, and in your more mediocre moments you will wish your woman would settle for less. But if you are a man who is living his fullest, willing to play his edge and grow through difficulties, then you will want her to test you. You may not like it. But you don't want her to settle for some bozo who depends on his woman's response to be happy. If you are aligned with your mission, you are essentially happy, even though times cycle between difficult and easy. You don't need your woman's strokes to fulfill your mission. It still feels good when she strokes you, but you don't need mommy anymore, telling you what a good boy you are. And your woman doesn't want you to need mommy. In fact, it sickens her.

If your woman is weak, she may settle for a weak man, and therefore play into your need to feel like a good boy. But if she is a good woman, a strong woman, she won't tolerate your childish needs for a pat on the head, collecting bigger toys, and being king of the mountain. A good woman will love the childlike part of you, but she wants your life to be guided by your deepest truths, not your untended childhood wounds. She wants to feel that at your core you have grown beyond the need for kudos and million?dollar toys. She wants to feel your self?generated strength of truth.

So she will test you. She might not be fully conscious of why she is doing it, but she will poke your weak spots, especially in moments of your superficial success, in order to feel your strength. If you collapse, you've flunked the test. You have let your woman deflate you. You have demonstrated your dependence on her for external validation. Even if you just made a million dollars, you are a weak man. Your woman cannot trust you fully.

If you remain full and strong, humorous and happy, your truth unperturbed by her testing, then you pass the test.

"Honey, I'll get you some milk, all right," you say as you sweep her off the ground and lay her on the couch, laughing, kissing, looking deeply into her eyes, and "milking" her happiness with the confident loving of your caresses.

She can relax and trust your Shiva core. She can surrender the tensions around her heart. You are trustable. You don't need her validation in order for you to be loving. You simply are loving. The truth of you is love. Your fullness is independent of mommy. You are not only a man, you are a superior man: a man who does his best to live as love in the world and in his intimacy, a man whose heart remains open and whose truth remains strong even when his woman criticizes him, a man who can find the humor in forgetting to pick up the milk on a day he made a million dollars.

This is the kind of man your woman can trust. Now, the moment is a moment of celebration. Now, she can relax and truly join in your jubilation, knowing you are not dependent on her praise for your happiness. It will last, perhaps, ten minutes. And then she will test you again.

It never ends. A woman will always test her man for the pleasure of feeling his strength in loving, his capacity to transcend nuisance, his persistence in his own truth, and his capacity to share that truth in love with her, even when she is complaining??especially when she is complaining. Her complaint is the beginning of her pleasure. It is not true criticism, but a test of your Shiva?hood. The criticism is entirely dissolved in love as soon as she feels your humor and happiness in the midst of the poke.

It never ends. This is the secret. You can't get out of it. Finding a different woman won't get you out of it. Therapy won't get you out of it. Financial or sexual mastery won't get you out of it. Your woman is testing you because she loves you. She wants to feel your truth. She wants to feel your love. And she wants to feel that your truth and love are stronger than the barbs she can throw at you. Then she can relax and surrender into the polarity of man and woman. Then she can trust you.

The most loving women are the women who will test you the most. She wants you to be your fullest, most magnificent self. She won't settle for anything less. She knows it is true of you. She knows in your deepest heart that you are free, you are Shiva. Anything less than that she will torment. And, as you know, she's quite good at it.

Yet, if your purpose is to be free, you wouldn't have it any other way.

excerpt from Way of the Superior Man, David Deida
Quote:How the Church has Emasculated Men
By Tristan Emmanuel on January 31, 2008 1:00 AM

http://www.noapologies.ca/2008/01/how-t ... d-men.html

Have you ever wondered why Christian men are so emasculated? Or why most normal red-blooded men find it absolutely impossible to relate to today's clergy?

You're not alone.

I use to think the problem was me; that I was old fashioned - at least that's what I was told.

But then I had an epiphany.

God didn't send girly-men to preach the gospel, build churches and reform society back in the days of the early Church. And He certainly won't do that today either.

I've been writing a small miniseries on the state of our culture. I've predicated everything on one strategy: if we reform and revive the church, we'll see reformation and revival in society as well.

Last week I touched on worship. This week the focus is masculinity. And I think that as a part of a strategy to change society we need to stop emasculating maleness in men.

The solution is simple. Start encouraging men in the church to be men - not women in drag.

I'm not the only one to say this.

Author David Murrow has written a very important book on the subject: Why Men Hate Going to Church. He confirms my theory. Men don't feel welcomed in churches anymore because Christianity has been feminized.

Murrow relates several important statistics in his book:

* The typical U.S. congregation draws an adult crowd that's 61% female, 39% male. This gender gap shows up in all age categories.
* On any given Sunday there are 13 million more adult women than men in America's churches.
* This Sunday almost 25 percent of married, churchgoing women will worship without their husbands.
* Midweek activities often draw 70 to 80 percent female participants.
* As many as 90 percent of the boys who are being raised in church will abandon it by their 20th birthday. Many of them will never return.
* More than 90 percent of American men believe in God, and five out of six call themselves Christians. But only two out of six attend church on any given Sunday. The average man accepts the reality of Jesus Christ, but fails to see any value in going to church.

These are absolutely frightening statistics, but they are not surprising.

J. Grant Dys argues on his blog that the spinoff effects of this reality can be seen in our families (or at least what's left of them), our schools, our clubs, and in the prisons of our society. And ironically, with the death of genuine masculinity, an increasing number of young men are seeking to reclaim their manhood in homosexuality.

On a cultural level we all know that the idea of a "real man" has almost been beaten out of our social consciousness. Men are objects of scorn and vilification. Watch any T.V. commercial or sitcom and you'll witness a barrage of attacks, all designed to assault the dignity of real masculinity and the historic male role model as provider and protector.

I'm not saying anything new here. Many have already made this point; some much better than I. But what concerns me isn't that THE broader culture has rejected masculinity, it is that the church has aided and abetted this concept of manhood as a pariah. And it's not just the liberal churches that are guilty on this score.

All too often the pastoral "role model" in Evangelical circles mirrors that Simpson's character, the "Reverend Love Joy". Our pastors are either quaint, odd, harmless pushovers or they are slick metrosexual types who can cry at the drop of a dime - literally - but have absolutely no courage to stand up against real evil or teach the unequivocal truth with authority.

They've suppressed godly male assertiveness, opting instead to "be nice." They have abdicated their calling to "speak the truth" in the interest of political correctness. And they have decided that manipulating people with emotional self help books and anecdotal sermonizing is better for the bottom line than training and teaching the men in their congregations to be leaders and warriors for Christ. And as a result, the Evangelical church is suffering from a dearth of real men.

Is feminism to blame?

No doubt feminism is a force of evil in North American society. It is evil not because it has tried to establish equality. Rather it is precisely because it hasn't established equality that it is guilty of perpetrating a fraud. What feminism has succeeded in doing is to convince both sexes that the only masculine identity that is valuable is an effeminate male. That in fact, the only way for equality to exist is for men to be like women, or to simply not exist.

Now we can blame the feminist movement all we want. But it won't change a thing because in the end, men have embraced their own feminization. As Dys points out, men have done this to themselves because they have become soft and lazy.

Men are far more interested in accommodating the women's movement than in asserting their masculinity. And whether that's because we want to be "popular with the girls," because we are too insecure and unsure about leading, or if it comes out of sheer exasperation - "You want to take over the leadership? Go ahead, I just don't want to argue anymore" - we've conceded our role in family, church and the state.

But let's be clear about one thing; we had no right to abdicate that responsibility.

The solution is very simple: men need to be men again. They need to take up their responsibility the way God intended them to behave. And the church needs to re-learn how to help them do that again.

Stupid article, badly written. Incomprehensible message. Illogical. Convoluted.
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cause he's one of em...
or he'd be screaming down from that pulpit

"Get a pair" instead of using the metrosexual wyrd








we still love ya Xuxa !
Quote:[quote author="Xuxalina Rihhia"]How the Church has Emasculated Men
By Tristan Emmanuel on January 31, 2008 1:00 AM

http://www.noapologies.ca/2008/01/how-t ... d-men.html

Have you ever wondered why Christian men are so emasculated? Or why most normal red-blooded men find it absolutely impossible to relate to today's clergy?

You're not alone.

I use to think the problem was me; that I was old fashioned - at least that's what I was told.

But then I had an epiphany.

God didn't send girly-men to preach the gospel, build churches and reform society back in the days of the early Church. And He certainly won't do that today either.

I've been writing a small miniseries on the state of our culture. I've predicated everything on one strategy: if we reform and revive the church, we'll see reformation and revival in society as well.

Last week I touched on worship. This week the focus is masculinity. And I think that as a part of a strategy to change society we need to stop emasculating maleness in men.

The solution is simple. Start encouraging men in the church to be men - not women in drag.

I'm not the only one to say this.

Author David Murrow has written a very important book on the subject: Why Men Hate Going to Church. He confirms my theory. Men don't feel welcomed in churches anymore because Christianity has been feminized.

Murrow relates several important statistics in his book:

* The typical U.S. congregation draws an adult crowd that's 61% female, 39% male. This gender gap shows up in all age categories.
* On any given Sunday there are 13 million more adult women than men in America's churches.
* This Sunday almost 25 percent of married, churchgoing women will worship without their husbands.
* Midweek activities often draw 70 to 80 percent female participants.
* As many as 90 percent of the boys who are being raised in church will abandon it by their 20th birthday. Many of them will never return.
* More than 90 percent of American men believe in God, and five out of six call themselves Christians. But only two out of six attend church on any given Sunday. The average man accepts the reality of Jesus Christ, but fails to see any value in going to church.

These are absolutely frightening statistics, but they are not surprising.

J. Grant Dys argues on his blog that the spinoff effects of this reality can be seen in our families (or at least what's left of them), our schools, our clubs, and in the prisons of our society. And ironically, with the death of genuine masculinity, an increasing number of young men are seeking to reclaim their manhood in homosexuality.

On a cultural level we all know that the idea of a "real man" has almost been beaten out of our social consciousness. Men are objects of scorn and vilification. Watch any T.V. commercial or sitcom and you'll witness a barrage of attacks, all designed to assault the dignity of real masculinity and the historic male role model as provider and protector.

I'm not saying anything new here. Many have already made this point; some much better than I. But what concerns me isn't that THE broader culture has rejected masculinity, it is that the church has aided and abetted this concept of manhood as a pariah. And it's not just the liberal churches that are guilty on this score.

All too often the pastoral "role model" in Evangelical circles mirrors that Simpson's character, the "Reverend Love Joy". Our pastors are either quaint, odd, harmless pushovers or they are slick metrosexual types who can cry at the drop of a dime - literally - but have absolutely no courage to stand up against real evil or teach the unequivocal truth with authority.

They've suppressed godly male assertiveness, opting instead to "be nice." They have abdicated their calling to "speak the truth" in the interest of political correctness. And they have decided that manipulating people with emotional self help books and anecdotal sermonizing is better for the bottom line than training and teaching the men in their congregations to be leaders and warriors for Christ. And as a result, the Evangelical church is suffering from a dearth of real men.

Is feminism to blame?

No doubt feminism is a force of evil in North American society. It is evil not because it has tried to establish equality. Rather it is precisely because it hasn't established equality that it is guilty of perpetrating a fraud. What feminism has succeeded in doing is to convince both sexes that the only masculine identity that is valuable is an effeminate male. That in fact, the only way for equality to exist is for men to be like women, or to simply not exist.

Now we can blame the feminist movement all we want. But it won't change a thing because in the end, men have embraced their own feminization. As Dys points out, men have done this to themselves because they have become soft and lazy.

Men are far more interested in accommodating the women's movement than in asserting their masculinity. And whether that's because we want to be "popular with the girls," because we are too insecure and unsure about leading, or if it comes out of sheer exasperation - "You want to take over the leadership? Go ahead, I just don't want to argue anymore" - we've conceded our role in family, church and the state.

But let's be clear about one thing; we had no right to abdicate that responsibility.

The solution is very simple: men need to be men again. They need to take up their responsibility the way God intended them to behave. And the church needs to re-learn how to help them do that again.

Stupid article, badly written. Incomprehensible message. Illogical. Convoluted.[/quote]
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I can tell you ain't been to church in decades. Except those churches haven't been feminized, they've been NWO-ized.
Quote:I think men and women really don't understand each other very well
Men have been listening to what we say we want and dumbing themselves
down into disconnected drones resenting and trying to be what their mothers
and girlfriends and previous wives told em to be when really it's never been
what a real deep woman has ever wanted..

So what is it that women really want then?
Which woman? There are only about 3 or 4 billion of us.

What I want is another cup of <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/coffee.gif" alt="Coffee" title="coffee" />
its a general question, yes I know each woman is different, but what do you all generally want?
oh... we can all start with what Aretha was squallin' about FORTY years ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP4VDbmf ... re=related

that's a good place to start. I think.

The anti-life regimes respect NOBODY NO LIFE NO THING but their first actions of life/soul killing disrespect always starts with the women and children of any society.

All women are seen as the niggers of the world by the trickle down crowd. I don't ever forget that reality. I experience that 'tude all the time.

$$ can distance women from that reality a little bit but in the end game of pushNshove? The collective hatred and fear of the real power of the real women rules over even that.
Quote:its a general question, yes I know each woman is different, but what do you all generally want?
We just want you to follow the rules:
THE RULES
1. The Female always makes The Rules.

2. The Rules are subject to change at any time without prior notification.

3. No Male can possibly know all The Rules.

4. If the Female suspects the Male knows all The Rules, she must immediately change some or all of The Rules.

5. The Female is never wrong.

6. (If the Female is wrong, it is because of a flagrant misunderstanding which was a direct result of something the Male did or said wrong.)

7. (If Rule 6 applies, the Male must apologize immediately for causing the misunderstanding.)

8. The Female can change her mind at any given point in time.

9. The Male must never change his mind without express written consent from the Female.

10. The Female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.

11. The Male must remain calm at all times, unless the Female Wants him to be angry or upset.

12. The Female must under no circumstances let the Male know whether or not she wants him to be angry or upset.

13. The Male is expected to mind read at all times.

14. The Male who doesn't abide by The Rules, can't take the heat, lacks a backbone, and is a wimp.

15. Any attempt to document The Rules could result in bodily harm.

16. At no time can the Male make such comments as "Insignificant" and "Is that all?" when the Female is complaining.
and we want a man that can smile @ the ^^^
knowing that the howling winds of the feminine
might swirl around them and they simply can
stand strong, already full, unafraid of loss or gain,
and therefore free of our wildly Feminine push and pull
and smilingly, deeply, lovingly, fiercely, humorously
keep us inside our raging banks

To be the strength of love without fear...

A man that has no fear and KNOWS from the
core of his righteous BEING that he's already free
and KNOWS he will remain always free NO MATTER WHAT
is the only one that can truly connect with any
deeply truthful voltage at all

Beyond that a guy that's THERE knows without a doubt he's free

Men have got to cut their mommies apron strings
and over this sticky to mom, read wife/gf/every woman I've ever know
emasculated fear shit and from the bottom up/chaka chan view below

get visionary
get piercing
get heart
get rockHARD solid
get ground




Oh where for ART thou romeo...


that's what women want..

course some chicks just want money
and if you're the kind of man that is into
that lower level expression of male power
ie bucks, boobs and booty that's just what
you will attract a women who wants your $$$
and will dump you like a ho for someone with more dough

like attracts like and all that jazz


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Quote:[quote author="the gardener"][quote author="Xuxalina Rihhia"]How the Church has Emasculated Men
By Tristan Emmanuel on January 31, 2008 1:00 AM

http://www.noapologies.ca/2008/01/how-t ... d-men.html

Have you ever wondered why Christian men are so emasculated? Or why most normal red-blooded men find it absolutely impossible to relate to today's clergy?

You're not alone.

I use to think the problem was me; that I was old fashioned - at least that's what I was told.

But then I had an epiphany.

God didn't send girly-men to preach the gospel, build churches and reform society back in the days of the early Church. And He certainly won't do that today either.

I've been writing a small miniseries on the state of our culture. I've predicated everything on one strategy: if we reform and revive the church, we'll see reformation and revival in society as well.

Last week I touched on worship. This week the focus is masculinity. And I think that as a part of a strategy to change society we need to stop emasculating maleness in men.

The solution is simple. Start encouraging men in the church to be men - not women in drag.

I'm not the only one to say this.

Author David Murrow has written a very important book on the subject: Why Men Hate Going to Church. He confirms my theory. Men don't feel welcomed in churches anymore because Christianity has been feminized.

Murrow relates several important statistics in his book:

* The typical U.S. congregation draws an adult crowd that's 61% female, 39% male. This gender gap shows up in all age categories.
* On any given Sunday there are 13 million more adult women than men in America's churches.
* This Sunday almost 25 percent of married, churchgoing women will worship without their husbands.
* Midweek activities often draw 70 to 80 percent female participants.
* As many as 90 percent of the boys who are being raised in church will abandon it by their 20th birthday. Many of them will never return.
* More than 90 percent of American men believe in God, and five out of six call themselves Christians. But only two out of six attend church on any given Sunday. The average man accepts the reality of Jesus Christ, but fails to see any value in going to church.

These are absolutely frightening statistics, but they are not surprising.

J. Grant Dys argues on his blog that the spinoff effects of this reality can be seen in our families (or at least what's left of them), our schools, our clubs, and in the prisons of our society. And ironically, with the death of genuine masculinity, an increasing number of young men are seeking to reclaim their manhood in homosexuality.

On a cultural level we all know that the idea of a "real man" has almost been beaten out of our social consciousness. Men are objects of scorn and vilification. Watch any T.V. commercial or sitcom and you'll witness a barrage of attacks, all designed to assault the dignity of real masculinity and the historic male role model as provider and protector.

I'm not saying anything new here. Many have already made this point; some much better than I. But what concerns me isn't that THE broader culture has rejected masculinity, it is that the church has aided and abetted this concept of manhood as a pariah. And it's not just the liberal churches that are guilty on this score.

All too often the pastoral "role model" in Evangelical circles mirrors that Simpson's character, the "Reverend Love Joy". Our pastors are either quaint, odd, harmless pushovers or they are slick metrosexual types who can cry at the drop of a dime - literally - but have absolutely no courage to stand up against real evil or teach the unequivocal truth with authority.

They've suppressed godly male assertiveness, opting instead to "be nice." They have abdicated their calling to "speak the truth" in the interest of political correctness. And they have decided that manipulating people with emotional self help books and anecdotal sermonizing is better for the bottom line than training and teaching the men in their congregations to be leaders and warriors for Christ. And as a result, the Evangelical church is suffering from a dearth of real men.

Is feminism to blame?

No doubt feminism is a force of evil in North American society. It is evil not because it has tried to establish equality. Rather it is precisely because it hasn't established equality that it is guilty of perpetrating a fraud. What feminism has succeeded in doing is to convince both sexes that the only masculine identity that is valuable is an effeminate male. That in fact, the only way for equality to exist is for men to be like women, or to simply not exist.

Now we can blame the feminist movement all we want. But it won't change a thing because in the end, men have embraced their own feminization. As Dys points out, men have done this to themselves because they have become soft and lazy.

Men are far more interested in accommodating the women's movement than in asserting their masculinity. And whether that's because we want to be "popular with the girls," because we are too insecure and unsure about leading, or if it comes out of sheer exasperation - "You want to take over the leadership? Go ahead, I just don't want to argue anymore" - we've conceded our role in family, church and the state.

But let's be clear about one thing; we had no right to abdicate that responsibility.

The solution is very simple: men need to be men again. They need to take up their responsibility the way God intended them to behave. And the church needs to re-learn how to help them do that again.

Stupid article, badly written. Incomprehensible message. Illogical. Convoluted.[/quote]
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I can tell you ain't been to church in decades. Except those churches haven't been feminized, they've been NWO-ized.[/quote]


You have got that right. Many are in lockstep with the NWO and with the pigs. They are told to say "obey the government since that is what the bible teaches" Bullshit! Those pastors don't have balls, they might as well be eunuchs! If you look at the New Testament, Jesus Christ told a disciple to catch a fish and he would find a fourpence bronze coin in it. The apostle took that coin and paid both his tax and the tax of Jesus Christ. The local bigwigs could not tell if Jesus paid the tax or not. If that isn't a form of tax-evasion in a subtle scale then I don't know what to say.

No, I'm not metrosexual. I see far too many of our men that way though. The same goes for the pastors who are in bed with the misgovernment and the NWO. I have no use for such DEVILS! Yes, that is the work for pastors who willingly toe the govt line and misuse Romans Chapter 13.

Disobedient to the NWO for life!
Rev Xuxa you tell em.. :worship

I think you need a song or two from Rev N


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I'm living with war everyday
I'm living with war in my heart every day
I'm living with war right now

And when the dawn breaks I see my fellow man
And on the flat-screen we kill and we're killed again
And when the night falls, I pray for peace
Try to remember peace (visualize)

I join the multitudes
I raise my hand in peace
I never bow to the laws of the thought police
I take a holy vow
To never kill again
To never kill again

I'm living with war in my heart
I'm living with war in my heart in my mind
I'm living with war right now...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOeWxEgUr7M


The Way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEZU_UuTwo