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Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Wook - 11-20-2009 ... l-warming/

Quote:If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That)

When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:

Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.

One of the alleged emails has a gentle gloat over the death in 2004 of John L Daly (one of the first climate change sceptics, founder of the Still Waiting For Greenhouse site), commenting:

“In an odd way this is cheering news.”

But perhaps the most damaging revelations – the scientific equivalent of the Telegraph’s MPs’ expenses scandal – are those concerning the way Warmist scientists may variously have manipulated or suppressed evidence in order to support their cause.

Here are a few tasters. (So far, we can only refer to them as alleged emails because – though Hadley CRU’s director Phil Jones has confirmed the break-in to Ian Wishart at the Briefing Room – he has yet to fess up to any specific contents.) But if genuine, they suggest dubious practices such as:

Manipulation of evidence:

I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.

Private doubts about whether the world really is heating up:

The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

Suppression of evidence:

Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?

Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis.

Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address.

We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.

Fantasies of violence against prominent Climate Sceptic scientists:

time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat
the crap out of him. Very tempted.

Attempts to disguise the inconvenient truth of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP):

……Phil and I have recently submitted a paper using about a dozen NH records that fit this category, and many of which are available nearly 2K back–I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “MWP”, even if we don’t yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back….

And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.

“This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the “peer-reviewed literature”. Obviously, they found a solution to that–take over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering “Climate Research” as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?”

“I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor.”“It results from this journal having a number of editors. The responsible one for this is a well-known skeptic in NZ. He has let a few papers through by Michaels and Gray in the past. I’ve had words with Hans von Storch about this, but got nowhere. Another thing to discuss in Nice !”

Hadley CRU has form in this regard. In September – I wrote the story up here as “How the global warming industry is based on a massive lie” – Hadley CRU’s researchers were exposed as having “cherry-picked” data in order to support their untrue claim that global temperatures had risen higher at the end of the 20th century than at any time in the last millenium. Hadley CRU was also the organisation which – in contravention of all acceptable behaviour in the international scientific community – spent years withholding data from researchers it deemed unhelpful to its cause. This matters because Hadley CRU, established in 1990 by the Met Office, is a government-funded body which is supposed to be a model of rectitude. Its HadCrut record is one of the four official sources of global temperature data used by the IPCC.

I asked in my title whether this will be the final nail in the coffin of Anthropenic Global Warming. This was wishful thinking, of course. In the run up to Copenhagen, we will see more and more hysterical (and grotesquely exaggerated) stories such as this in the Mainstream Media. And we will see ever-more-virulent campaigns conducted by eco-fascist activists, such as this risible new advertising campaign by Plane Stupid showing CGI polar bears falling from the sky and exploding because kind of, like, man, that’s sort of what happens whenever you take another trip on an aeroplane.

The world is currently cooling; electorates are increasingly reluctant to support eco-policies leading to more oppressive regulation, higher taxes and higher utility bills; the tide is turning against Al Gore’s Anthropogenic Global Warming theory. The so-called “sceptical” view is now also the majority view.

Unfortunately, we’ve a long, long way to go before the public mood (and scientific truth) is reflected by our policy makers. There are too many vested interests in AGW, with far too much to lose either in terms of reputation or money, for this to end without a bitter fight.

But if the Hadley CRU scandal is true,it’s a blow to the AGW lobby’s credibility which is never likely to recover.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - unibonger - 11-20-2009

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Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Wook - 11-20-2009

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Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - StarLord - 11-20-2009


after all he did *cough*cough* invent the internet...

after it was already there.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Wook - 11-20-2009

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Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Samurai Jane - 11-21-2009

Does this mean that Al Gore is so pissed off that he's taking back the internet?

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - slidika - 11-21-2009

Hey Uni, how'd they catch him in mid-belch? <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/smoke.gif" alt="Smoke" title="smoke" />

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - sarafina - 11-22-2009

<img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/rofl.gif" alt="Rofl" title="rofl" /> @ Uni's Goracle

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - sarafina - 11-22-2009

I was on a Yahoo mailing list a couple of years ago on alternative building techniques - researching different ways to build a house in Arkansas since we won't be bound by building codes (the prime reason we chose that area) and I had to quit the list I got so disgusted.

I could see the future memes............ and it was they want us to live in 600 sq ft hovels made of of recycled garbage. And we should feel GUILTY for expecting anything more. And of course ignore the fact that it doesn't apply to the elite.........

Somewhere between the McMansions and hovels made of recycled garbage is a balance. *sigh*

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - the gardener - 11-22-2009

I ran across this site tonight searching for something else-

I don't remember if there was any global warming crap or not but it did have beaucoup stories about the politics of water, the radiation leaking out of Los Alamos and other natural water disasters due to the scientific realm in charge the last 50 years or so-good one on the test sites in NV and its impact on the aquifers etc now.

the people of upper NM are really quite SCREWED due to the runaway pollution from Los Alamos. People of NV screwed too due to the testings of the nukes in NV-we're all screwed so maybe a McMansion is just one last screw you to the planet earth-enjoy the faux luxury presented while you can. <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/dunno.gif" alt="Dunno" title="dunno" />

I was reading about Larry Hagman selling their truly divine humongous estate he and his wife built in my hometown of Ojai-actually it was on Sulphur Mountain-right after they bought the land the FEDS snuck up there over a Thanksgiving weekend when everyone in gov't was GONE and put up a huge Doppler Radar tower right next to that sumptuous property. Anyway it is solar and everything else cutting their Edison bill from $3500 a month down to nothing-they are able to sell back their power created to the Edison company even. It is possible to be conscientious and if you're a millionaire build dream luxe homes that don't totally pollute everything. He had a heliport too.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - LonesomeTrail - 11-22-2009

Don't like it, sounds like an agenda. Emphasize first line and consider alternatives to advice proposed to connect dots to who gains. Maybe I need the whole package of leaked data, I see nothing here that doesn't seem to be out of context. Violent fantasies? Hmmm... I know skeptics I'd have liked to beat up on occasion myself, to use a figure of speech, but that pertains to either being honestly confident that you're right or just knowing what half-arsed dickweeds they can be. Sounds kinda like the clutching of straws of your average "Aha, we got 'em now" piece.

BPA, as reluctant as any of 'em must be to try new things, supposedly had enough mills already to power Seattle and Portland at one peak, or some such.

P.S. Al Gore never said he invented the Internets, as fervently as Rethuglicans like to insist this. Don't make me link you to Snopes.

He did talk about an "information superhighway" where all the world's knowledge was digitally assembled which suckered me onto these Internets where they try to charge you $30 each for the countless articles an otherwise healthily curious person can read. He didn't actually mention the part about it being a box full of argumentative, disingenuous monkeys that sits on your desk and sucks you in daily with the promise of being able to read b.s. from clear on the side of the world, at the click of a mouse - but hey, my bad... if it sounds too good to be true... :-)

The only reasons I know to give Gore hairy eyeballs are failing to come up with charisma when he was running against W (quote: "If Al Gore invented the Internets, how come all the addresses start with 3 Ws?"), folding on a recount, and apparently standing around picking lint out of his navel while Nader was allegedly gestapoed out of the debates, presuming Gore was actually aware of it. There'd be an Inconvenient Truth if he knowing let the GREEN guy get that kind of treatment.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Samurai Jane - 11-22-2009

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Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Vianova - 11-22-2009

Keep two things in perspective.

The rates of CO2 accelerating in content in the atmosphere faster than any previous time,
are not skewed data.
This is matched by the levels of carbonic acids in the oceans building
and adding to the destructions of coral reefs.

When poles start to melt the additional moisture added to the atmosphere
and oceans
will facilitate "cooling periods" by that moisture becoming extra rain and snowfalls
that we see in the flash and dash storm and flood weather around the world.

There is no question that the Global Warming is an agenda with incomplete data.
IMO this is an underlying effort by the nuclear industry to eventually validate their
agendas to make more nuke plants.... and that is Al Gore's Tennessee.

But we are also in a solar minimum
with no solar activity
which is NOT supposed to be happening right now,
as a matter of fact the opposite is supposed to be happening.

In solar minimum activity the Earth gets cold, as in the Maunder Minimum period
documented in Europe several centuries ago.

So the current "cold period" cannot just be used a venue to invalidate global warming,
especially when Greenland glaciers are still receding and that is not a lie,
and just in the last few years huge chunks of the Antarctic shelves
just broke off and plunked into the water.

Incomplete data is a symptom of both sides of the argument.

Until the sun restores itself to the normal cycle it is supposed to exhibit
nobody can really say what is happening one way or another,
and that actually is evidence that global warming is being manipulated by The Gore-bage-ites.

remember that Russian scientist that said we were going into a cold period?
we have those links here somewhere.
He also said that after the cooling trend things would heat right back up substantially.
But he put that 50 years ahead in the future.

So the question remains...
what is causing the sun to sit there like a quiet 60 watt bulb in a basement wine cellar?

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We are heading into the galactic rift and that may have a lot to do with the sun's bizarre activity.
The sun is showing no sunpots or electric activity
as exampled when the huge long period comets passed by like NEATV1 and Bradfield etc.

Something is virtually shorting out the electric activity of the sun.
That has a possible candidate that starts with P and ends with X.

I don't know, and can only guess, but for certain the sun is not in it's regular cycle,
and the scientists are stumped on that and saying nothing.

So, until we start seeing Long Period comets returning through the inner solar system
and sparking the sun back into high energy we probably won't see warmer climates
on the immediate level.

The other evidence for global warming was that Mars even was warming up,
the Mars poles were melting slowly....?
the whole solar system was warming up in data derived from the recent years when all those comets were splashing thru the SOHO field of vision for our viewing pleasure.

So warming or no warming...all the data is incomplete until we see what happens
in the years following a return to high solar activity.

In the meantime the manipulation of scientific data is a symptom of politics
and big energy money futures.
"eco fascists" as the article refers to the global warming contingent,
unfortunately lumps all environmental efforts into one bowl of fish head soup.

Gore is a pimp for the nuclear and coal industries.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - the gardener - 11-22-2009

thanks for that one Vianova-and them storing all the seeds in bumfuck Norway or where ever, the cretins that are have knowledge and data they aren't sharing for sure. And it WAS heating up until a few years ago too-but they manipulate the weather like a baby grabs for candy.

And the ice sheets have broken off and the Sun is doing its opposite affect. Samurai looked up one astro occurrence with me on the phone yesterday that tied in with this funky solar minimum=same affect with same planetary weirdos involved-that harkens back to like 548 or right before the dark ages- perhaps this will be a literal dark ages if they don't get those nukes on line. I found this one site that is totally about water in the west and mentions a lot about the nuke industry in the west=the evil tests they did in the name of BETTER LIVING (AND DYING) THROUGH SCIENCE. The waste issue is the big one always-they're having troubles with leakage from storage containers in Los Alamos from fifty years ago-private profiteers like Westinghouse corp of yesterday with the taxpayers of now and the future the ones to pick up the cancers and deadly physical affects and the BIG BILLS. does it get better N that when you are a soulless one or many? What a deal. So yes, they're planning to do a lot of nuke works-they're denigrating the enviromentalists left and right who use the tools set in place in the 70s to safeguard our natural properties-those without any voices at all. Voices of the people too of the future.

the maniacs that profit from exploitation of science or nature don't give a shit and demand total self governance *schnorts* with their industrial practices that harm all and profit few.

the starts with "P and ends with X' is one I totally expect to come our way sooner than later-weird times we are living in right now.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Samurai Jane - 11-22-2009

Quote:Something is virtually shorting out the electric activity of the sun.
That has a possible candidate that starts with P and ends with X.

I don't know, and can only guess, but for certain the sun is not in it's regular cycle, and the scientists are stumped on that and saying nothing.
I like this theory that external factors aren't required. The sun gets wound up so tightly in its own magnetic lines of force that it reaches a breaking point and zaps the inner planets like a giant capacitor discharging. Best read at the site. There are too many illustrations for me to c & p:

"There is an understanding that provides for the current changes in the planets and the sun that does not require any external sources of energy. This understanding has to do with the totality of the sun spot cycles, and what causes them, and the larger cycles built upon them.

The material below is based on books by

Patrick Geryl, including "The Orion Prophecy ", and "How to survive 2012", and "The world cataclysm in 2012" which may be obtained from his web site at

Geryl bases some of his work in the decoding on Maurice Cotterell's work in the "Mayan Prophecies". I am of the opinion that Cotterells' work does support Geryl's sun spot cycle contention, and that Cotterell did not take the symbolism far enoughto reach the same conclusion as Geryl.

Further, in my research into Vedic, and pre-Vedic Hindi and Pali literature, as well as Taoist and Pre-Chan Buddhism Chinese myths, i find that the same numeric coding exists in these widely dispersed cultures, and that these numeric codings are of the same nature as Geryl has decoded in the Mayan and Egyptian symbols.

Unfortunately there is also a very substantial science based analysis supporting the idea that the planet earth has repeated, and periodic episodes of crustal displacement of some
significant, and civilization shattering levels. Hapgood (The Path of the Poles) and other researchers have found historical and geologic evidence for hundreds if not thousands of such pole, and crustal shifts.
Also the ancient Chinese texts refer to 4/four previous world changing cataclysms, the Mayans also have the fourth age or world ending in their Long Count calendar, and the Egyptian
(pharaoh texts) refer to 8/eight such occurrences, while the Narmer Plate details 11/eleven previous crustal shifts. The Vedic and pre-Vedic texts refer to 4 worlds or kingdoms destroyed each time by world altering cataclysm. So there is ample evidence that pulls all the parts together under the idea of periodic
crustal, and pole shifts here on earth. The graphics below will provide a 'proof of concept' illustrations to a brief discussion showing a mechanism that, if not causal, at least participates
in the shifts.
Please note all fractional parts of numbers referenced have been dropped for clarity. These numbers can be obtained in Geryls' books.

To start it is necessary to understand that our sun as 99 percent of all the mass in the solar system, but only 1 percent of the angular momentum. Whereas the reverse is true, that is, all the planets have only 1 percent of the mass, but have 99 percent of the angularmomentum.

This idea is important as it explains why the sun spins at two different speeds. Both the Mayan and the Egyptian civilizations knew that the pole of the sun takes 37 days to rotate
and the equator of the sun takes only 26 days. Note we are leaving off the fractional parts. It is also worth noting that this information can only (as far as we can tell) be determined
if you are a space-faring civilization. So how did these ancient cultures know this? Hmmm.

Anyway, due to the pull of the planets on the equator of the sun, the equator spins faster than the solar pole, and as a result, every 87 days the equator 'laps' the pole of the sun. It is this basic motion that is responsible for the sun spot cycle as well as other, much more dramatic cycles in sun behavior.
Our sun is a giant magnetically based electric generator. As the angular momentum of the planets pulls on the sun's equator, it also pulls upon, and distorts the magnetic forces within the sun. This tug from the planets takes one complete lap every 87 days. The effect of this is a winding of the magnetic forces within the sun.
rom the sun's north or south pole, this effect (if we could see magnetic lines of force) would resemble the 'swastika' symbol.
This is an important note as all the ancient cultures of this planet used the swastika as a symbol at the core of all of their 'end times' myths. This symbol did not originate with the NAZI movement in Germany, and was deliberately chosen by them due to its fundamental importance to humanity, and civilization.

As each 'arm' of the magnetic winding crawls up the surface of the sun, it will pass the 'magic' number of 19.45 degrees of latitude. This number is magic as that is where the sun spots happen, and coincidently where all the storms happen on the gas giants, and such interesting places as Hawaii happen here on earth. This number is magic as it is also the point at which the internal hyper dimensional merkaba (interlinked tetrahedrons) will contact the edge of the sphere we perceive as the sun. These sun spots are to the 'heart' of the sun, what a 'pulse' is to the heart of a human.
To continue, as the 'winding pressure' increases on the sun over time by each 87 day lap, a larger structure of magnetic pressure is created both internally, and externally to the sun.

This larger pressure builds within the huge forces tugging on the magnetic structure of the sun over a period in excess of 11,500 years.
The result of the pressures is a level of chaotic 'tension' in the magnetic structure of the sun. As the pressures bend the magnetic arms of the sun, and they crawl up the sun like windings of string around a ball, they will cross the 19.45 latitude. If they
happen to do so when the internal rotation of the merkaba is coincident, a sun spot will form and it will continue as long as the winding arm is synchronized with the rotation, usually
about 25 days or so.
As the forces pressuring the magnetic structure of the sun increase with time, the pressures can naturally be expected to build until a 'breaking point' is reached. ALL of the ancient
warnings via myth and symbols point to the 'breaking point' of the sun spot cycle as THE KEY indicator of a pending pole and crustal shift here on earth (as well as other planets).

The reason that the pressures on the magnetic structure of the sun results in a pole, and crustal shift here on earth is due to our own planet's magnetic nature. Our planet is basically a 'dirt and water covered' magnetic generator similar to the core of the sun.
he magnetic health of our planet is directly tied to the sun. As a note worthy fact, the magnetosphere protecting our earth has weakened constantly these last 10,000 years.No longer healthy, as in the above graphic, our magnetosphere is both weak, and full of holes that are growing over these last few years.

As the sun's magnetic structure nears its 'breaking point' relative to the pressures exerted by the angular momentum, it will expand in a spherical fashion outward as the 11 (there is that number again, hmmmm?) centuries of stress are 'blown off'.
The following graphics illustrate this process. Any resemblance between these illustrations and recent crop circles is entirely
a meaningful coincident manifestation of reality.

As may be expected, having the magnetic sphere of the sun expand and bulge out past the orbits of the inner planets likely will have an impact on earth since we are one of the inner planets.

The thinking is that a magnetic 'bow wave' will be followed by a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME), which is what the PowersThatBe seem most afraid to encounter. However the real danger to the planet comes from the magnetic bow wave itself. Especially when we have a diminished, and weakened magnetosphere. The impact of the magnetic discharge from the sun will overwhelm what is left of earth's protective magnetosphere and initiate both a pole and a crustal shift. Details of this process may be found in Geryls' books.

The effects will be profound."

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - almon - 11-22-2009

he cant take back the internet, i know this because i built it

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Vianova - 11-23-2009

from your link where he is comparing Geryl to another author,
where the whole thing is dedicated to a 2012 cataclysm.

Quote:Further, in my research into Vedic, and pre-Vedic Hindi and Pali literature,
as well as Taoist and Pre-Chan Buddhism Chinese myths,
i find that the same numeric coding
exists in these widely dispersed cultures,
and that these numeric codings are of the same nature as Geryl has decoded
in the Mayan and Egyptian symbols.

Well that part is a bingo for certain.
there is no question that the
"numeric codings"
are the universal harmonic codings of the replicating decimals systems
that result from the fractions found in ancient mathematics of the various global cultures.
They all recognized the harmonic motions of the inner 6 planets,
and quickly adapted the mathematic harmonics to calendar accounting
it is really not that complicated.

The question thus arises,
did the ancient cultures official mathemeticians recognize that their fractions
were actually creating replicating decimals?

They almost would have had to know this about replicating decimals
in certain eras of the highest points in their cultures,
and ancient Vedic math is supposedly known to have formed decimals.

In any case the numbers they have exampled are very interesting,
and this is what they are talking about
because I recognize the decimal patterns they are implying instantaneously.

Quote:Polar field of the sun rotates each day: 9.729729 degrees.
Note the repetitious pattern of '972'.

that is:
10 x { 972 / 999 } .......972 is an Egyptian style number = 18 x 54 ... 9720 = 27 x 360 calendar count

the replicating decimal is infinite
972 / 999 = 0 . 972 972 972 972 972 972~

Quote:Equatorial field of the sun rotates each day: 13.84615 degrees.

the applicable decimal pattern is ........... 1.384615 384615 384615 384615
this is a multiple of 13 and 195

2700 / 195 = his number in degrees stated: 13.84615~~~~~

This replicating sequence that he places as the solar equatorial rotation {if true}
and applied to a floating decimal:
1.384615 384615 394615 394615
is one of the more important transition fractions
for conversion from Egyptian count systems to Mayan Long Count systems as 18 / 13

your 10 digit calculator will round off at the tenth digit.

blahblahblah Whip Whip Brucelee

Now to the content of his 2012 stuff and the solar problem

Polar shifts are certain to happen, and have happened many times,
but how they cycle is uncertain.
Many criteria may cause a polar shift.
There are distinct evidences that are tied to research
on the magnetic north approaching true north, and this may happen anytime soon.
That could be 2012,
or it could be 2021.

From my perspective, a polar shift does not necessarily mean Velikovskian catastrophism,
each and every time..
And with cycles {solar} assumed by this Geryl fellow mentioned in SJ's link to induce pole shift,
one could easily say there are minimum and maximums in polar shifts as well,
or in catalysts depends on the total impact of that catalyst.
...catalyst, i.e.
If a PX was approaching, it only affects you if it comes close.
One cannot assume that with every passage of PX
that it always goes plinko
right on Earth etc.

A polar shift might be a total of a very few degrees,
It also might send a continent like Antarctica right down to the bottom of the ice box
for a little cold storage.....and in the mean time ......
all the rest of the world will be at different locations relative to where they used to be
due to the Earth shifting its polar position.

It would be a bummer to end up in the Antarctic day after tomorrow.

It would be quite inconvenient,
and no amount of replicating decimals will save us.


Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Wook - 11-23-2009

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Quote:Lord Lawson calls for public inquiry into UEA global warming data 'manipulation'

Lord Lawson, the former chancellor, has called for an independent inquiry into claims that leading climate change scientists manipulated data to strengthen the case for man-made global warming.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Wook - 11-23-2009

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Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Vianova - 11-24-2009

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Quote:Lord Lawson calls for public inquiry into UEA global warming data 'manipulation'

Lord Lawson, the former chancellor, has called for an independent inquiry into claims that leading climate change scientists manipulated data to strengthen the case for man-made global warming.

I certainly hope that Lord Lawson gets his inquiry, and ferrets out the truth.

The explanation offered by the lead scientist in the English global warming scandal
was pretty shaky:

Quote:One of the emails under scrutiny, written by Phil Jones,
the centre's director, in 1999, reads:
"I've just completed Mike's Nature [the science journal]
trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years,
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

Prof Jones has insisted that he used the word "trick" to mean a "clever thing to do", rather than to indicate deception. He has denied manipulating data.

Kevin Trenberth
of the US National Center for Atmospheric Research
accused climate change sceptics of cherry-picking the documents
and taking them out of context.

So I noticed the Trenberth name there that is the American counterpart
of the English global warming climate group.
His work is responsible for a lot of this global warming frenzy.
I found his essay.
he used El Nino climate cycles...from the 90s...talks of a distinct shift ....76-77.... <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/hmm2.gif" alt="Hmm2" title="hmm2" /> ... berth.html

This is his pdf on the Debate on Global Warming...Trenberth vs Gray ... sFeb08.pdf

I did not bother to open and read, i don't have time,
but the link has several of his pdf.s

This guy is the one to investigate on the American global warming front,
especially when the media is quoting him on this issue.

The part about the global CO2 levels rising then would be a lie or manipulation as well,
if the global warming is not true.
I would then deduce it to be a manipulation in that
if the global levels of CO2 are rising so fast to record levels,
and it is not affecting the immediacy of global warming as suggested,
then the Earth can absorb the excess CO2 much better than they admit to.

Very interesting developments.

Science engaged in fraudulent manipulation of data.
Science manipulated by big money politics and global energy futures.

Imagine if we could get our hands on all the NASA emails what we would find.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - LonesomeTrail - 11-24-2009

Quote:The part about the global CO2 levels rising then would be a lie or manipulation as well,
if the global warming is not true.
I would then deduce it to be a manipulation in that
if the global levels of CO2 are rising so fast to record levels,
and it is not affecting the immediacy of global warming as suggested,
then the Earth can absorb the excess CO2 much better than they admit to.

Very interesting developments.

Science engaged in fraudulent manipulation of data.
Science manipulated by big money politics and global energy futures.

Well as you astutely pointed out, the polar bears are worried about homelessness while NASA points out that this goes on all over the solar system. According to them, anyway, something's getting warmer.

Manipulation of data by energy futures isn't new, of course. Plenty of would-be global warming debunkers have been called on the carpet for being funded by oil companies and coincidentally coming up with the kind of conclusions that those doing the funding would like to hear.

Unless the NeoCons have reason to invade the Middle East to the tune of c.a. 5 trillion and counting because they have wind over there, manipulation of data by alternative energy futures may be a refreshing change in my book. I'm not advocating dishonesty, but alternate energy is up against plenty of it.

Seems to almost make more sense to just try to make sure we're not part of the problem than go around about whether there's a problem or not. If it is the sun's doing, seems like a lousy time to have a global scale experiment on whether or not carbon emissions make it worse. Alla Noo Yawk dunna look that far above sea level...

Know anything about these rumblings I've heard about NeoCon bootlicker Blair being eyed for President of the EU, by the way? Dunno if this'd be it but I'd expect a big lame whack at Greenies if he were fixing to do for the environment what Cheney did for Muslims.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Valentine - 11-24-2009

I can't help but think (based on their ongoing behavior) that they're jumping on the climate change bandwagon in order to make more money. Carbon credits are big business, and an entire industry has developed around it along with the usual underhanded bullshit. Doesn't matter whether or not global warming/climate change is "real" or not. Yes, we're a sorry lot who have no consideration for other creatures or the planet itself and this needs to change of course. I don't think anyone could rationally deny that, but as usual all the wrong people are in charge of it so the only change to expect is that some people will get richer. Imagine my shock. ... oney-trees

In Brazil, people with some of the world's smallest carbon footprints are being displaced—so their forests can become offsets for SUVs.
—By Mark Schapiro

I am standing in the shadow of General Motors' $1 tree. It's a native guaricica, with pale white bark and a spreading crown that looms about 40 feet above my head. Hanging from its trunk is a small plaque that identifies it as tree No. 129. I've come here, to the verdant chaos of Brazil's Atlantic forest, to understand the far-reaching and politically explosive controversies taking shape in diplomatic corridors thousands of miles away over the fate of trees like this one.

No. 129 stands in the heart of the Cachoeira reserve in the state of Paraná—one of the last slivers of a forest that once blanketed much of the country's southeastern coast. Just 7 percent of the Atlantic forest remains, but it is still one of the Earth's richest centers of biodiversity, home to a wealth of plants and creatures comparable to the Amazon's. On the way here, our group—led by Ricardo Miranda de Britez and his team of forestry experts from the Brazilian conservation group Society for Wildlife Research and Environmental Education (SPVS)—walked past clusters of yellow-and-white orchids, stepped over the footprints of an ocelot, kept an eye out for the endangered golden lion tamarin, and were bitten by, it seems, every one of the thousands of species of insects native to the area.

But our journey is not focused on the rare creatures in the forest. It's about the forest itself—the trees that are our partners in respiration, inhaling carbon dioxide, exhaling oxygen, and storing the carbon in their trunks and leaves. That simple process makes them one of Earth's most potent bulwarks against climate change (a.k.a. a "carbon sink"); but when they are cut and burned, all that stored carbon is released into the atmosphere. Already, some 32 million acres of tropical rainforest are destroyed each year, an amount of land equivalent to the state of Mississippi's; deforestation, according to the United Nations, is responsible for roughly one-fifth of all greenhouse gas emissions.

What will it cost to keep those trees standing? And who's going to pay for it? The challenge of assigning precise values to an increasingly rare commodity—wild trees—and indeed the question of whether they are a commodity at all, is one of the most hotly contested in the climate world.

IT WAS AN unusual deal that landed tree No. 129 at the center of the debate. Between 2000 and 2002, the US-based Nature Conservancy struck an alliance with three of the planet's leading carbon emitters: General Motors, Chevron, and American Electric Power. Together the corporations gave the environmental group $18 million to purchase 50,000 acres of Brazilian Atlantic forest, much of which had been degraded by grazing. Three reserves were created: Serra do Itaqui, financed with $5 million from AEP; Morro da Mina, paid for with $3 million from Chevron; and Cachoeira, underwritten by $10 million from GM. (GM's role in the project survived the company's bankruptcy, which means that No. 129 is now partially owned by you and me.) SVPS was brought in to manage the reserves, which together form one contiguous forest known as the Guaraqueçaba Environmental Protection Area. You'll see Guaraqueçaba promoted on the Nature Conservancy's website as an example of corporate partnerships that make "an invaluable contribution to the preservation of the planet's biodiversity." What you won't see is what the companies get out of the deal: the potentially lucrative rights to the carbon sequestered in the trees.

At tree No. 129, de Britez takes out a tape measure and unspools it around the trunk. We're at one of the 190 carbon dioxide measuring stations—each a group of trees with numbered plaques—scattered around the Guaraqueçaba forest. Documenting the bulk of the reserve's trees is an ongoing enterprise, like tracking tagged whales.

"We measure the biomass of these trees and their carbon sequestration," de Britez says as a ranger picks up the other end of the tape measure and writes down No. 129's stats. It's 3 feet in diameter and about 45 feet tall. He estimates the carbon it contains at 95 kilograms—just under one-tenth of a ton. At $10 a ton, the upper end of the range at which carbon offsets trade in the US, No. 129 is worth about $1. Scale up to the two to three tons of carbon per acre that de Britez estimates across the 50,000-acre reserve, and the potential payoff, in addition to the public relations value, comes into focus.

The trees in the Cachoeira reserve could never offset even a fraction of GM's total carbon footprint—a single Hummer H2 (which the company started producing the same year it signed on to the Guaraqueçaba project) would require about 50 trees to offset. But the Nature Conservancy and its partners aimed to use the Brazilian reserves as a test case for preserving forests via corporate carbon credits. "The investors wanted to be pioneers in the carbon-sink field," de Britez explains. "They had in mind to start working on this before other companies."

All three companies, as it happens, had aggressively lobbied the Clinton administration against signing the 1997 Kyoto climate accord and stayed mum when President Bush withdrew from it. But they hedged their bets, figuring that the Brazilian forests could be turned into offsets to sell in places (like Europe) where Kyoto's emission limits did apply, or could be held in reserve in case the US ever established its own limits.

By the time the companies were ready to begin preparing their credits for sale, however, the UN had refused to allow "avoided deforestation" projects—those that buy forestland and then promise not to cut the trees—as an offset for industries seeking to buy their way out of emission limits. Credits generated from projects like Guaraqueçaba were excluded from the international carbon market launched by Kyoto, a market that now accounts for more than $126 billion in offset transactions. The offsets could be sold, however, in the United States, where the $700 million domestic carbon offset market is unregulated (and where prices are generally half those of Kyoto-regulated offsets).

Manyu Chang, a forest scientist who is the coordinator for climate policy for the state of Paraná, explained the problem with avoided-deforestation credits to me at her office in the state capital of Curitiba. For starters, she said, trees—living beings, after all—are far less predictable than, say, windmills. They are subject to the vagaries of fires and disease, both of which are increasing due to climate change. Each species absorbs carbon at different rates depending on factors like the altitude, soil, and weather. Then there's the problem of "leakage"—when deforestation simply shifts from protected zones to unprotected ones, creating no overall emissions reduction. And finally, the UN did not want to open the door to a perverse sort of extortion: A country could threaten to open its lands to logging unless it was paid to not do so.

More fundamentally, Chang notes, when companies create reserves on already forested lands, their contribution to the fight against climate change is limited: "Do they get the credit for simply enhancing what was there already?" José Miguez, one of Brazil's top climate officials, told me that during the Kyoto talks his government opposed using its forests to enable northern industries to pollute more. "The forest is there," he said. "You can't guarantee it will absorb extra carbon. The General Motors plan gives a false image to the public in the United States. For us, they are pretending to combat climate change."

THERE IS ANOTHER vexing question inherent in preserving forests: What happens to the people who use the land? Efforts to protect biodiversity in the dwindling wildlands of the world have increasingly run into a discomfiting tension between the impulse toward absolute preservation and the needs of people—many of them indigenous—who have lived sustainably in forestlands for decades or centuries. Such tensions are playing out in the new economics of carbon offsets.

With a preserve designed in large part to safeguard stored carbon, a new set of imperatives comes into play. Turning trees into carbon credits requires knowing how to extrapolate from carbon measurements, like the ones of tree No. 129, to determine a forest's potential as a carbon sink. It requires knowing as precisely as possible how many trees there are and of what size—which means minimizing the unpredictable activities of human beings, as small scale as they might be.

For many generations, the Guaraqueçaba forest was home to the Guarani Indians, but their dominion waned as the Brazilian government encouraged subsistence farmers to settle and clear the land. Today the two populations coexist, living alongside the reserves or in communities nearby and relying on what remains of the forest for everything from food to building materials. There are more than a dozen villages around the three reserves, linked by dirt roads and river tributaries traveled by canoe. Most are home to just a few dozen people living in structures of wood and reeds. Jonas de Souza is a 33-year-old farmer who grew up a quarter of a mile from the forest that is now part of the GM-funded Cachoeira reserve. His family grows bananas, cocoa, and coffee on a small plot. He remembers hunting for small prey—roast paca, a large rodent, is a local delicacy—and collecting seeds and hearts of palm. But now, signs have gone up at the edge of the forest: No hunting, fishing, or removal of vegetation. A state police force, the Força Verde, or Green Police, patrols the three reserves, as well as a larger state-sanctioned preservation area, to enforce the restrictions.

"Now," says de Souza, "I don't have the right to go out and do what I used to do when I was 12, 14, 15 years old. I'd grab my fishing rod and get a fish to bring to my family or to feed myself. You don't have the right to walk into the forest to go and cut a heart of palm to eat. I'll get arrested and I'll be called a thief."

De Souza says he's found numerous relics of the Guarani—pipes, an axe, pottery, and burial items. The forest is valuable today, he notes, because his community and those who were here before them have taken good care of it. "We have been here, and still the forests haven't disappeared. Still the rivers aren't contaminated. Still the biodiversity isn't extinct."

One of the goals of the Green Police is to prevent large-scale poaching, particularly of the endangered and highly valuable hearts of palm, as well as exotic primates and birds. Yet officers cited few arrests of individuals linked to major logging, palmito, or wildlife-smuggling enterprises when I joined them on patrol. Many of their enforcement efforts have focused on local people cutting a single palm for its succulent heart—or collecting wood to build their homes. "They're afraid of us," said Captain Lestechen, a patrol leader, as a group of young boys sitting on a bench eating a heart of palm quickly scattered at the approach of the Força Verde jeep.

Visiting the villages without the Força in tow, I heard numerous stories of people being harassed, arrested, and shot at while looking for food, wood, or reeds. Antonio Alves, a 35-year-old farmer and carpenter—we spoke as he carved a 15-foot log canoe—said he was arrested this year for chopping down a tree to fix his mother's home in Quara Quara.

It's a stretch to call Quara Quara a village: It's a cluster of five cabins perched at the end of a small, silted waterway. The only way in is by canoe. Three of the homes have been abandoned—the residents left, Alves said, because they could no longer hunt and gather food in the forest. After his arrest, Alves spent 11 days in jail in Antonina, a one-hour canoe ride away. The lawyer defending him at trial, pro bono, was the town's mayor, Carlos Machado. Sitting in his expansive office in the town's colonial-era city hall, Machado told me that he's represented a string of people like Alves, villagers hauled into court on charges of violating the strict prohibitions in the reserves.

"I know he didn't go cut that tree down to speculate on the wood," Machado said. "It's one thing, the wood seller who is destroying [the forest]—this is very different from a caboclo [farmer] who cuts down a tree to build a fence." These distinctions, he said, have been missing from the policies created by the reserves and enforced by the Força Verde (whose officers have received training from SPVS, the Nature Conservancy's Brazilian partner). Machado has noticed a stream of migrants from the backwoods to his town, which is buckling under the strain. "Antonina is a small town that has few resources for generating income, few possibilities for people who come from the rural zone without skills and without the defenses to live in the urban environment. They stay in the outskirts of town, in the mangrove swamps, in irregular, inhospitable situations. It creates a lot of social problems for us...Through those conservation projects, they created a poverty belt around our town." The migrants also move west to Curitiba, said Machado, where they're often steered into prostitution or the drug trade.

By excluding villagers from the forests, says Jutta Kill, a researcher with the Forests and the European Union Resource Network who has spent months interviewing locals about the project, the reserves are pulling out the communities' lifeline. "In this area," she says, "everyone is cash poor but no one goes hungry. If you take the forest away, you take away everything. The preservation projects here are designed to generate offsets for the largest polluters, and they're doing it by cutting off people from the land." Few of the people here have motors on their boats, she notes; even fewer own cars. People with some of the smallest carbon footprints on Earth are being displaced by companies with some of the biggest.

Back in Curitiba, Chang, the state forestry expert, told me that the conservation groups were trying to create a "zero disturbance" environment in their forests. "Maybe that's a little obsolete," she said. "Maybe you [should] have 90 percent conservation, not 100 percent. That way you could include the community of people who live there." But that could undermine a system based on assigning a stable, reliable, and tradable value to a living ecosystem.

"The carbon idea is not really tangible to people in the community," Miguel Calmon, the Nature Conservancy's director of forests and climate in Latin America, acknowledges. Calmon says the conservation groups initially sponsored training programs for local community members in alternate sources of income—cultivating honeybees, organic bananas, local crafts—but the money ran out. Now, he says, the rules are clear: "You can't go into these private reserves. That land is not their land anyway. If you used to go [into the forest] from your house across the road, now you can't. That land is already owned."

The supply of forests for offsetting pollution in developed countries is, potentially, almost infinite. There are an estimated 90 billion tons of carbon in Brazil's forests alone, and billions of tons more are sequestered in Indonesia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Malaysia, Papua New Guinea, and other nations with substantial tropical forests, which are considered the most vulnerable to deforestation. The world has a major stake in keeping all that carbon where it is. The question now being debated in Washington and Copenhagen is whether the fate of the forests—and their people—will rest on the ability of industries to pay for preserving distant trees rather than reducing emissions closer to home.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Vianova - 11-26-2009

Climate Gate" Development: CEI Files Notice of Intent to Sue NASA

Today a lawsuit was filed against NASA and its Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) on behalf of the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Three Notices of Intent were filed for those bodies' refusal - for nearly three years - to provide global warming documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

See full story: ... ment-cei-f

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Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Wook - 11-26-2009

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Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Samurai Jane - 11-27-2009

Gore Flees in Panic from Chicago Book Signing
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November 25, 2009 (LPAC)—Not since Henry Kissinger fled a team of LaRouche organizers, in the back of a delivery truck in New York City's Central Park in the early 1980s, has an obese fascist moved so fast to escape an angry crowd, as Al Gore did today in Chicago. Appearing at a bookstore in the downtown Loop, Gore was confronted by a team of demonstrators from a grass roots group called "We Are Change," as he was signing his latest fascist screed on the global warming swindle. Gore bolted from the bookstore, raced down an alley, jumped into a waiting car, and tried to speed off, with protesters chasing after him and banging on the car. Midwest LYM organizers, who were also on the scene to confront the global warming swindler, provided an eyewitness account of Fat Albert's flight of fear.

Make no mistake about it. This little encounter is typical of the kinds of things going on all over the country, as the fascists who brought you the near-destruction of the United States and an onrushing global Dark Age, are no longer walking the streets, smug in the belief that they are literally getting away with murder. The mass strike dynamic is playing out in thousands of ways, every day, and the recent revelations about the "smoking gun" emails from the East Anglia University global warming propaganda center, have made Al Gore's life a little more miserable.

As Percy Shelley wrote in "The Mask of Anarchy," "We are many, they are few."

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Vianova - 11-27-2009

That post on carbon footprints by Val is amazing.

Quote: Chang, the state forestry expert,
told me that the conservation groups
were trying to create a "zero disturbance" environment in their forests

The same thing happens in our USA National Parks.
Zealous park rangers with absolutely no common sense will give you a ticket for taking a rock.
They will ticket you for picking a flower and giving it to your girlfriend.
They are complete robotic idiots and are enjoying the power of carrying a gun and doing stupid
bullshit enforcements of laws they don't even understand themselves,
when you try to get them to explain wtf they are talking about.

Don't even think about picking a fucking daisy in a national park.
If you don't believe me, you had better think twice.

So what happens inevitably is that over management from so many agencies creates
a breakdown in efficiency and common sense.

Ross Lake National Park is an example.
You can fish huge Ross Lake reservoir and dam and keep a trout over 13 inches,
but there are no 13 inch trout left in the lake..... not to overfishing,
but due to Seattle City Light
being able to draw the water down 50-80 feet wiping out the spawning habitats.

So you and I cannot pick a flower by enforced law in that National Park,
but Seattle City Light still has the right to supercede National Park law enforcement strategy
and kill off the bulk of each years spawning with the water draw downs for power.
Well, some people got pissed finally and dumper shiners {feed fish}in the lake,
and it is now infested,
and they do this to try and force the lake away from the bogus trout fishery
and replace it with Bass that eat the shiners.
My bets are that bass will be showing up there soon.
Since Ross Lake is now a federal environazi zone,
I only go there in the early spring for dazzling winter snow peak photos.

Other than that, to hell with that hypocrisy allowing Seattle City Light to destroy
the best part of what could be up there with a vibrant lake of healthy fish stocks.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Trevor - 11-27-2009


Oops, never mind.

You can't pick a weed or flower from the side of a road, and people take it very seriously too, 'Ooh, I can't do that, I'll get arrested'.

I'm not sure what they thought they were protecting at the time, this law is yonks old. They also pay farmers 'by the weed' on a scale of [points for set-aside land.

Of course the Farm suppliers stock all these 'weed' seeds, and they're managed as meticulously as any other crop.

One friend missed out on a £1000 bonus because he had only 2 of something, not 3. You can bet your life he won't make that mistake again.

It's all part of the circus which is Global Correctness.

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Wook - 11-27-2009

Climategate: Dr. Tim Ball on the hacked CRU emails ... r_embedded

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Wook - 11-27-2009

Quote:Climate fund to help poor nations
UK PM Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy have proposed a multi-billion-dollar fund to help developing nations deal with climate change.

Mr Brown said the $10bn (£6bn) fund should also be used to help developing nations cut greenhouse gas emissions.

Both spoke at the Commonwealth summit in Trinidad, the last major world forum before the global summit on climate change in Copenhagen on 7 December.

Many Commonwealth members are island states threatened by rising sea levels.

Mr Sarkozy, with UN chief Ban Ki-moon and Danish Prime Minister Prime Lars Loekke Rasmussen, is there to give weight to any climate change statement.

The topic was the only issue on the Commonwealth summit's agenda for the first day.

Opening the Trinidad meeting, Queen Elizabeth II said the Commonwealth had an opportunity to lead once more on climate change.

"The threat to our environment is not a new concern but it is now a global challenge which will continue to affect the security and stability of millions for years to come," she said.

'Absolutely serious'

Mr Brown said half of the $10bn fund should go towards helping developing nations reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and the other half towards helping them adapt to climate change.

James Robbins, BBC diplomatic correspondent
It's a highly unorthodox summit, which may be just what the Commonwealth needed to counter charges it is an irrelevant relic of Britain's imperial past.

This time, key leaders from outside the Commonwealth were invited to the first day - given over entirely to the dominant world issue: climate change.

The UN secretary-general, the French president, and Denmark's prime minister seized the chance of the last major political gathering before December's crucial global negotiations to urge the heads of more than 50 nations here to lead by example and ease deadlocks between the developed and developing world.

If the Commonwealth is a microcosm of the wider world, spanning giant India, rich Britain, Australia and Canada, as well as some of the smallest and most vulnerable island states like the Maldives, then where better to argue that all leaders should prepare to make bold concessions to achieve a better outcome in Copenhagen?

Judging whether or not this Summit really makes a difference may be impossible, but it has certainly raised the Commonwealth's profile, and reminded the world beyond the Commonwealth that, at the very least, huge amounts of political effort are being expended to try to maximise success in Copenhagen.

The first cash would be made available next year, he said, before any emissions deal could take effect.

He is offering $800m from the UK over three years, money that has already been budgeted for.

"What I feel the developing countries need to know is that we are absolutely serious that we would start now," he said, quoted by Reuters news agency.

In separate remarks quoted by AFP news agency, Mr Sarkozy proposed a funding programme of $10bn a year in the years 2010-12, and an "ambitious mechanism" for payments beyond those years.

He did not indicate how much France was prepared to contribute.

The two leaders said the move could encourage developing nations concerned about the economic consequences of reducing emissions to sign up to a climate treaty.

'Pressure' on India

The Commonwealth's 53 nations comprise nearly two billion people, a third of the planet's population.

The leaders are meeting days after pledges by the US and China to limit their greenhouse gas emissions, amid concerns that the Copenhagen meeting could fail to agree substantial cuts.

India has admitted that China's decision to unveil emissions targets two weeks before the Copenhagen summit has put it under pressure.


•Made up of former British colonies, dependencies and other territories, plus Mozambique
•Founded in 1931
•Currently 53 members, with combined population of 1.8 billion
•Headed by British monarch, but no allegiance to Crown since 1947
•Heads of government meet every two years

Indian Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh said China's decision was a "wake-up call to India".

Mr Ban said new and positive commitments from several countries over recent days were very heartening.

"My message to all the world leaders has been simple: stay focused, stay committed - and come to Copenhagen and seal a deal," he said.

But in another Commonwealth country, Australia, the government's plans to enact a law for an emissions trading scheme have been thrown into chaos by a revolt within the opposition Liberal Party, whose support is required to pass the bill.

The summit will also discuss Rwanda's entry into the English-speaking club. The Francophone nation has been seeking membership following disagreements with France over events leading up to the 1994 genocide.

The issue is likely to be controversial. The nation's entry bid has received strong backing from some member states.

However, some rights activists are angry that entry would reward a nation they say is guilty of abuses dating back to the 1994 genocide.

Meanwhile the UK has indicated it will try to block Sri Lanka's bid to host the next Commonwealth summit over its handling of the recent war.

A UK government source said Mr Brown had "real concerns about Sri Lanka's bid".

Story from BBC NEWS: ... 382014.stm

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Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - Wook - 11-28-2009

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Gerald Warner is an author, broadcaster, columnist and polemical commentator who writes about politics, religion, history, culture and society in general.
Climategate e-mails sweep America, may scuttle Barack Obama's Cap and Trade laws

By Gerald Warner Politics Last updated: November 26th, 2009

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Just a few considerations in addition to previous remarks about the explosion of the East Anglia Climategate e-mails in America. The reaction is growing exponentially there. Fox News, Barack Obama’s Nemesis, is now on the case, trampling all over Al Gore’s organic vegetable patch and breaking the White House windows. It has extracted some of the juiciest quotes from the e-mails and displayed them on-screen, with commentaries. Joe Public, coast-to-coast, now knows, thanks to the clowns at East Anglia’s CRU, just how royally he has been screwed.

Senator James Inhofe’s Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works has written to all the relevant US Government agencies, acquainting them with the nature of the e-mails. But the real car crash for Obama is on Capitol Hill where it is now confidently believed his Cap and Trade climate legislation is toast. It was always problematic; but with a growing awakening to the scale of the scientific imposture sweeping the world, as far as the Antipodes, the clever money is on Cap and Trade laws failing to pass, with many legislators sceptical and the mid-term elections looming ever closer.

At the more domestic level, the proposed ban on incandescent light bulbs, so supinely accepted in this servile state of Britain, is now provoking a huge backlash in America. US citizens do not like the government coming into their houses and putting their lights out. Voters may not understand the cut and thrust of climate debate at the technical level, but they know when the Man from Washington has crossed their threshold uninvited.

The term that Fox News is now applying to the Climategate e-mails is “game-changer”. For the first time, Anthropogenic Global Warming cranks are on the defensive, losing their cool and uttering desperate mantras such as “You can be sceptical, not denial.” Gee, thanks, guys. In fact we shall be whatever we want to be, without asking your permission.

At this rate, Copenhagen is going to turn into a comedy convention with the real world laughing at these liars. Now is the time to mount massive resistance to the petty tyrants and hit them where it hurts – in the wallet. Further down the line there may be, in many countries, a question of criminal prosecution of anybody who has falsified data to secure funds and impose potentially disastrous fiscal restraints on the world in deference to a massive hoax. It’s a new world out there, Al, and, as you may have noticed, the climate is very cold indeed

Re: Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic - LonesomeTrail - 11-29-2009

Quote:You can't pick a weed or flower from the side of a road, and people take it very seriously too, 'Ooh, I can't do that, I'll get arrested'.

I'm not sure what they thought they were protecting at the time, this law is yonks old.

For every one of these assinine laws there are probably 20 idiot fcuks who went out and tried to harvest something to extinction for commercial purposes who probably directly had something to do with the origins of the protective measures.

What you're likely to get is exactly the kind of Nazi overcompensation described because nobody is likely to have the resources to sort it out, because... well, a fcuking daisy isn't that important when you're assigning resources, is it? So all of us are supposed to suffer because of a few opportunistic jackasses, because it will take half a miracle for the person fining you to know what you were making off with was something they should have been glad to be rid of.

We also get stupidity happening in trying to translate common sense into laws with invasive plants - if I knowledgably go out and dig up this or that noxious weed, seal it in a bag and drag it home and dry it out to death in the driveway before I compost it so it doesn't take over the freaking world, I may have broken x number of laws, earned tens of thousands of dollars in penalties, and gee is that what I get for trying to be helpful, Mr. Gore? - but the POINT of the laws is so that somebody doesn't go think they're purdy and dig one up, spew seed for miles out of the truck bed, and then plop it in the ground at home next to the creek where the seed will wash down and take over the whole fcuking valley below, resulting in a happy day for Monsanto at taxpayers expense.

Tell me about it, I also know locations of dozens of ancient American earthworks pyramids where what's left of them may be gone in the morning if anyone shoots of their mouth, because of some stupid drunken fcuk who thinks he's going to make five dollars selling pottery shards. I'm as grateful for the obscurity of most of them as I am pissed about it.

I actually rest some responsibility with the society that will tax a motherfcuker right out of his home with his kids and then wonder why he'd poach an irreplacable public resource to come up with a couple of bucks.

I've collected a few seeds from this or that wild plant before, observing respectful conservation practices as best as possible, and there was actually nobody to be found for miles to give a crap about it.