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RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 09-30-2015

o go suck an egg.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 09-30-2015

I am saying that it can be faked ... easily ... technically its very easy

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 09-30-2015

but it wasn't.

if? it is so easy
go put some flipping tracks on the Moon for me
and take pictures of them from Space.
very easy

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-01-2015

Wanted to do that, will do an excample.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 10-01-2015

get on it.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - watcher - 10-01-2015

@Letosvet ::::; you have too much free time on ur hands son lol.
While ur at it better check all the ID u have, ur birth certificate , passports etc and I wouldn't take ur parents word at face value that ur their child! Get my drift? You'll chase ur tail all the days of ur life friend. Take Wooks advice.
Roughly 120 billion humans have proceeded ur birth. Are u giving any justice to the evolution of man by ignoring the simple gift of logic?

@wook ..... Concise mate!
Getting a credit for ur skidding tackle :)

Cheers guys

Nothing wrong with healthy suspicion. Just don't paint yourself into a corner. I wish u all the best with ur pointless artistic adventure.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-02-2015

Naughty Whats wrong with this picture ? ... and it took me ... about 3 minutes only

Which descent stage is fake ?

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RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-02-2015

Took me other 3 minutes.... if i'd spend on it 30 minutes, nobody could say its fake.
If i'd spend 2 days i could draw you the whole landing site.

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RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-02-2015

5 minutes ... and there are much more tracks on the picture

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RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - alemos - 10-02-2015


DAMN letosvet!

You must work for NASA

Who was it that said.."The Devil is in the details"?

Great fake job.



RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 10-02-2015

so that's your fake
new lines to the old picture that looks nothing like the original lines.
go fake a new picture in a different area with references.
both of you are fakes.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-02-2015

Yes i know, lines are not good, i made them more crisp so you could see better, they are little thinner aswell and they jump over little craters Blush

So it looks like the driver was drunk.

What i am saying here is that if i'd spend more time on , you wont be able to see if its fake or not.

Even if you zoom to max % you wont notice nothing.

(I am not proffessional on photo editing.) and not working for NASA Nonono  Ninja  Smile

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 10-02-2015

the next time a camera flies over the area and the Moon Lander and the Rover tracks are still there
but your lines are not

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-02-2015

Once the tracks and equipent are drawn, the more easier is apply them next time.

With a simple script you can apply them automatically.

If the sun is shining from other direction , you just move the direction of the shadows. etc.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 10-02-2015

the next time a camera flies over the area and the Moon Lander and the Rover tracks are still there
but your lines are not

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-02-2015

They better fly closer to get more detailed view.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 10-02-2015

the next time a camera flies over the area and the Moon Lander and the Rover tracks are still there
but your lines are not

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-03-2015

I am afraid that moon landing is all fake... from the beginning ... i'll go suck egg now.

It's like very bad Bolliwood sci - fi movie... theres nothing real on movies nor pictures...

Already sucking egg...

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 10-03-2015

the next time a camera flies over the area and the Moon Lander and the Rover tracks are still there

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - watcher - 10-05-2015

LOL. And people wonder why NASA tends to give a wide birth to certain persons.
So let me get this straight Letosvat. Based on ur rudimentary drawings in a paint program , which has given the god given levels of analysis, You think ur ability to replicate gradients of pixel lines on a lunar surface allows u to spread the gospel of truth regarding Lunar landings?  Have u actually looked at the compression code from source?  Seriously dude, we've all seen the space shuttle fly but that doesn't mean we understand the complexities under the hood, talk less trying to fly the thing. I guess you understand the complex relations of pixels from  source judged against vector drawn pixels? To be honest you haven't the faintest clue what ur talking about. Writing a simple program to draw lines over the lunar surface??? Jesus, how naive and over blown are ur ideas of  what is actually involved in your argument. Sucking eggs is too easy a construct to bestow on ur talented ass lol.  If you want to prove your argument, you'd better start doing some 'Actual' work.  You know what that is? There are ways to check the integrity of images, I agree but what u submitted just sums up the detritus of poor, lazy thinking infesting anomaly hunting. If your gonna make an attempt in here, to show off ur faking skills, i'd advise u to learn a little more about imaging forensics. Some of us know a tiny bit more than ur little 3 minute tutorial.  

JPEG images use a lossy compression system. Each re-encoding (resave) of the image adds more quality loss to the image. Specifically, the JPEG doink-headoperates on an 8x8 pixel grid. Each 8x8 square is compressed independently. If the image is completely unmodified, then all 8x8 squares should have similar error potentials. If the image is unmodified and resaved, then every square should degrade at approximately the same rate.

ELA saves the image at a specified JPEG quality level. This resave introduces a known amount of error across the entire image. The resaved image is then compared against the original image.
If an image is modified, then every 8x8 square that was touched by the modification should be at a higher error potential than the rest of the image. Modified areas will appear with a higher potential error level.

At least present a good fake. Put the Exif try and cheat that meta-data, for a start dude, common! Check the Jpg/tiff codes. Check them carefully.  Judging a book by its cover only relegates u to the simpletons, sheep mentality and clouds good investigative analysis.  if you want to use big boys toys (NASAs images), may  I suggest evolving a deeper understanding of the basics at least.  Treating this or any subject within the shaky brackets of anomaly hunting like a religion, allows ur hypothesis to stay in ur head while u fumble in the dark for the door of reassurance. Time to grow up And put forward better arguments which can engage even the sceptics.  if you still stubbornly believe ur laughable technique is the holy grail, maybe hangout on Youtube and wonder at  the myriad of CGI'd Conspiracy Vids revealing "Real" LOL,  aliens  UFOs and secret Apollo missions... A fine vintage for u would be the Apollo 20 missions.  Should help u improve ur faking skill-set!!

If you haven't noticed yet I will point out that I haven't said ur wrong. (personally I know u are) but Im just trying to gently tell you that for some of us, ... how can i put this diplomatically...  struggle to take ur train of thinking, seriously.  Maybe dig deeper .  And Finally I have to state the obvious. if you don't trust NASA images... Stop looking at them. Go buy a telescope and crest your own fantasy world with ur telescope ;).  You have a right too.  Good luck with the script lol, best wishes on your journey of discovery from ur line drawings.

Wook...  I wouldn't waste your digital breath on this.  These guys are just not capable of expansive thinking.. I desperately want to believe them but they still can't get off the launch pad lol.

From Your Supplied link Letsovat:

Quote:So why is it that so many people come to believe in conspiracy theories? They can't all be paranoid schizophrenics. New studies are providing some eye-opening insights and potential explanations. For example, while it has been known for some time that people who believe in one conspiracy theory are also likely to believe in other conspiracy theories, we would expect contradictory conspiracy theories to be negatively correlated. Yet, this is not what psychologists Micheal Wood, Karen Douglas and Robbie Suton found in a recent study. Instead, the research team, based at the University of Kent in England, found that many participants believed in contradictory conspiracy theories. For example, the conspiracy-belief that Osama Bin Laden is still alive was positively correlated with the conspiracy-belief that he was already dead before the military raid took place. This makes little sense, logically: Bin Laden cannot be both dead and alive at the same time. An important conclusion that the authors draw from their analysis is that people don't tend to believe in a conspiracy theory because of the specifics, but rather because of higher-order beliefs that support conspiracy-like thinking more generally. A popular example of such higher-order beliefs is a severe “distrust of authority.” The authors go on to suggest that conspiracism is therefore not just about belief in an individual theory, but rather an ideological lens through which we view the world!!!!

Complex ideologies (true or false) wrapped a banner of patterns of belief matching closely to religion. Maybe read your supplied link more closely. 


Quote:There has been considerable research on the parts of society that embrace conspiracy theories of all types. Arguing that conspiracism writ large represents a fundamental part of the political system, legal scholar Mark Fenster claims in Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture (Minnesota, 2008), that such conspiracies represent “a polarization so profound that people end up with an unshakable belief that those in power ‘simply can’t be trusted’.”
At the time of the first landings, opinion polls showed that overall less than five percent “doubted the moon voyage had taken place.” Fueled by conspiracy theorists of all stripes, this number has grown over time. In a 2004 poll, while overall numbers remained about the same, among Americans between 18 and 24 years old “27% expressed doubts that NASA went to the Moon,” according to pollster Mary Lynne Dittmar. Doubt is different from denial, but this represents a trend that seemed to be growing over time among those who did not witness the events.
Perhaps this situation should not surprise us. A lot of other truly weird beliefs exist in society. Apollo 17 astronaut Harrison Schmitt has been philosophical about this turn: “If people decide they’re going to deny the facts of history and the facts of science and technology, there’s not much you can do with them. For most of them, I just feel sorry that we failed in their education.”
While it is inappropriate for us to take this denial seriously and opinion surveys show consistently that few do, for those raised in the postmodern world of the latter twentieth century where the nature of truth is so thoroughly questioned it is more likely to gain a footing.
The media, especially, have fueled doubts over the years. While this may not be viewed as a definitive statement, a child’s bib I have seen places the blame squarely on the media’s back. It reads: “Once upon a time people walked on the moon. They picked up some rocks. They planted some flags. They drove a buggy around for a while. Then they came back. At least that’s what grandpa said. The TV guy said it was all fake. Grandpa says the TV guy is an idiot. Someday, I want to go to the moon too.”
No question, the February 2001 airing of the Fox special Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon? changed the nature of the debate. In this instance a major network presented a conspiracy scenario without any serious rebuttal that might have been offered. As USA Today (April 9, 2001) reported in the aftermath of the show: “According to Fox and its respectfully interviewed ‘experts’—a constellation of ludicrously marginal and utterly uncredentialed ‘investigative journalists’—the United States grew so eager to defeat the Soviets in the intensely competitive 1960s space race that it faked all six Apollo missions.”
[Image: WEB11425-2010_640.jpg]President John F. Kennedy in his historic message to a joint session of the Congress, on May 25, 1961 declared, “…I believe this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth.” Shown in the background are, (left) Vice President Lyndon Johnson, and (right) Speaker of the House Sam T. Rayburn.
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Hundreds of thousands of Americans made it possible to reach the Moon. This launch of Apollo 11 represents one of the most watched events in human history. It defies credulity that so many people could have perpetrated such a hoax.
The Fox show raised the profile of Moon landing deniers. And it sparked considerable response. Marc Norman at the University of Tasmania quipped, “Fox should stick to making cartoons. I’m a big fan of The Simpsons!”
Whereas NASA had refrained from officially responding to these charges—avoiding anything that might dignify the claims—the Fox show demanded that it change its approach. After the Fox program first aired, NASA released a one-paragraph press release entitled, “Apollo: Yes, We Did,” that was minimalist to say the least. It also posted a NASA information sheet originally issued in 1977 to readdress some of the concerns and pointed people with questions to various Internet sites containing responses. NASA officials added, “To some extent debating this subject is an insult to the thousands who worked for years to accomplish the most amazing feats of exploration in history. And it certainly is an insult to the memory of those who have given their lives for the exploration of space.”
Denials of the Moon landings appropriately should be denounced as crackpot ideas. I look forward to the time when we return to the Moon and can tour “Tranquility Base” for ourselves.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-05-2015

I did not show You how to fake, i showed that dont believe everithing you see. Jpg error level is just a technical issue.
You told me not to waste my time, so i made quick.

Just how many descent stages you see on my pictures 1 or 2 ?

I dont want to prove anything, NASA can do whatever he likes and show whatever he likes and we all know it.

You see what they want you to see, i am nobody here.

Anyway... nice talking to You !  Food-smiley-004

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 10-05-2015

put up or shut up.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Keith - 10-06-2015

Some things you have to trust Letosvet.
For example, I know 2 moon walkers
both of them told me in no uncertain terms they went to the moon.
I trust them.
That's all I need.

and it's way more complex than that.

To truly attempt a fake you'd have to first find the exact place on the images and then go about putting the stuff in the exact places it was supposed to be
You'd basically have to draw this whole scene on a blank image and have it all line up perfect in place with the historical documentation.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-06-2015


Project Apollo Archive

I may start to believe.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-06-2015


RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - watcher - 10-06-2015

The feather? Is that your query? Just try and type a few words... ??!!
You really need to dig just a little..... Sigh.  My 6 year old son nailed the feather lol.

"Hammer-Feather Drop
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At the end of the last Apollo 15 moon walk, Commander David Scott (pictured above) performed a live demonstration for the television cameras. He held out a geologic hammer and a feather and dropped them at the same time. Because they were essentially in a vacuum, there was no air resistance and the feather fell at the same rate as the hammer, as Galileo had concluded hundreds of years before - all objects released together fall at the same rate regardless of mass. Mission Controller described the "Apollo 15 Preliminary Science Report":

This kinda explains ur  ideas. You basically haven't done any home work :)

Just type feather Apollo experiment, in Google !!!!

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-06-2015

And You read my ideas about feather what i did not write ?

Did i say something about it ?


RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - watcher - 10-06-2015

I must admit I haven't but if your taking one of the most obvious experiments ever noted, based upon Newtons law of gravity.... Emm , I guess ur theory must be something...

A pigeon named Capricorn escapes hutch and flies into super top secret lunar studio at Hollywood? I hope my joke was one concerning ur idea? Lol

Will read when I've finished work!

Where's ur theory posted? I'll book mark it now if possible ;)

Also post more claims in ur thread... Hopefully we should be able to debate a few out of the stadium.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-08-2015

Here is my theory with 100% proof.

Look at that bird ! What You see ? The missing feather ? Yes ?

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So....  this bird flew over the shooting place, feather fell off and got into picture !  Gangup

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 10-08-2015


RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - letosvet - 10-08-2015

Russian Space Enthusiast Raises 1 Million Rubles to Prove U.S. Moon Landing

Yegorov, 33, a Moscow-based PR specialist, proposed building a satellite to go into lunar orbit and take high-resolution photographs of the moon’s surface to document evidence of the landing of the Apollo 11 spacecraft, as well as the Luna and Lunokhod Soviet-era space missions.

The project made the headlines in Russia this week after the amount of money raised via the crowdfunding platform reached 1 million rubles ($15,400) in only five days.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Wook - 10-08-2015

clever scam.

RE: Moon Landing Faked !! Why ? - Keith - 10-09-2015

funny, the Russian government has never said Apollo didn't go to the moon.
Why not?
Do you think they wouldn't have busted us out for faking it?

and how much is
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a MILIION Rubles....


a little over 16000 dollars.

so unless they're thinking on orbiting the moon with a catapulted Volkswagen or something
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I don't think they're quite funded