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RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 11-13-2015

holy smokes  Doh

Trump on a bizarre tirade ... his focus is slipping and that should translate into lesser polling numbers.
He called the Iowa voters stupid Lol
but you just don't do that  Naughty

Carson is a black twinkie wrapped up in a prayer session at Sunday school.
The way he waves his arms around when he talks now ... didn't see him do that before.

Trump and Carson have basically dragged the Republican party into the public bathroom cleaning toilets 
and that is the gist of their race at this point.
But then,
America apperas to like toilet paper debates looking at the debate stats of viewers.

Trump is scrambling to find new entertainment venues in his speeches.
He shot himself in the foot with his Carson and Iowa voter comments.
It's not too hard for him to stay near the top though with the bulk of the competition
having holes in their heads.

It is a bit of a puzzle as to why Rubio or Cruz do not surge in the polls.

Carson has the bible belt vote but his bible bubble is going to burst.

Trump still can redeem himself and keep his standings,
but his ego may get in the way.

Bush is like Pee Wee Herman with a broken leg as he stumbles forth trying to stay in the race.

Fiorina is an aging soap opera actress at best,
and she is all icky and sticky with her own slick but sick bullshit.

Rand Paul is still there and standing firm but he is up against too many divided voters.

My guess is that at some point Trump will drop and pump money into either Cruz or Rubio.

But if anyone can strangle the rabbit out of the hat ... it would be Trump.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 11-16-2015

Quote:On Friday, MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell actually fact-checked Hillary Clinton’s suspicious tale of trying to join the Marines in 1975: “Those comments are being mocked by Republicans today and they’re getting two Pinocchios from Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler....Why on earth would she go to a Marine recruiter in 1975?...It doesn't make sense.” Her guest, Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz was so taken aback that the Florida congresswoman attacked Mitchell for asking questions: “With all due respect, Andrea, why on earth are we talking about this?” Mitchell hit back: “Because she brought it up in New Hampshire the other day. If she hadn't brought it up, it would not be an issue in this campaign.”
Schultz argued: “Andrea, Andrea, what the story illustrated was that we have made a lot of progress in America. Secretary Clinton is absolutely right. I mean, back then, you did have a much tougher time for women to be able to make it successfully through the recruitment process and move up in the military and we’ve made tremendous progress since then.” Mitchell replied: I mean, with all due respect, I won't defer to anyone in terms of people who have done stories over the decades about the challenges of women in the military....So I don't think that's the point. I think the point is just, did this happen? You have a presidential candidate, the frontrunner in the Democratic Party, saying something happened which is quite strikingly dissonant to people who knew her back then. Schultz whined: “I just find it really unreasonable, Andrea....this is a personal story that Hillary Clinton has told, and it's not the first time she told it. It didn't come out of the blue.” The head of the DNC talked herself into such a corner that she actually wound up defending Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson: Do we need every single experience in a person's life to be written in stone and blood and verifiable? There are things that happen to people all across America that can't be verified. And I know your next question's going to be about Ben Carson. And I think quite frankly, the same goes for stories about Ben Carson. Wrapping up the unusually contentious exchange, Mitchell lobbed a softball as a peace offering: “I was gonna play a little bit of Donald Trump and try to see how you react to him questioning her [Hillary Clinton’s] credentials on women's issues. Let's play Donald Trump....Have at it.” Schultz predictably jumped at the chance to bash the entire GOP field: And the Republicans have all talked about issues that would turn the clock back for women, whether it's on our health care, whether it's on making sure that we can get equal pay for equal work, whether it's making sure that we have access to an affordable education which so many women don't have access to now that you've got families in America who are headed by women, 40% of those who have children in the household.


RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 11-17-2015

BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump Announces His Pick For Attorney General….Trey Gowdy

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Fsbirdhouse - 11-18-2015

Any terrorist event in this country could trigger an attempt by Obama to declare Martial law so as to remain in power.
This could only result in the continued destruction of the moral, military, and international standing of this nation, its security, and the values that once made it great.
It is almost inconceivable that such an ignorant person could have come to possess such power at such a critical time in the history of this country.
Nothing that this president has done has been a positive for the people who count on the leadership of that office, and more the tragedy, as millions simply have no sense of what is at stake whatsoever!
God have mercy on us all!

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 11-18-2015

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RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 11-21-2015

I have been out of the news loop lately but I did see this today ...
had Trump at 28% 
Carson and Cruz <---- at 18%
and Rubio at 11%

I was surprised to see the surge by Cruz overtaking Rubio.
But I predicted the Cream of Wheat Carson drop in polling numbers earlier.

Trump could take a shit on Carly Fiorina's high heel shoes right on stage in the next debate, 
and still lead in the Republican polls it appears.

I am a bit puzzled by the Cruz surge over Rubio.

Meanwhile El Stupidissimo Bush can barely keep ahead of Chris Christie.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 11-21-2015

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RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - slidika - 11-22-2015


I like the Syrian refugee entrance exam -- just thought there should be a couple of more entries:

If the price is right.


RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 11-23-2015
Poll: Hillary Clinton Losing to Everybody

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 11-24-2015

That poll on "Clinton losing to everybody"
is actually a FOX news poll.

This link here compares several Republicans against Clinton,
from 6 different national polling sites.
scroll down for the last few months of record.
Currently she lost ground but still retains a slight lead overall.

She whups up on Trump Whip

Rubio did well enough

Carson topped her more than anyone

She hammered Bush, and note that only the FOX poll had Bush leading in that one.

Clinton also beat Fiorina and Cruz.

None the less the previous several months of record showed her consistently in the lead,
but that has now changed.

The Cruz -- Clinton comparison at the link was interesting in that she lost to Rubio,
but handily beat Cruz,
yet Cruz had a stronger lead in the Republican polls than Rubio.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 11-24-2015

Cruz vaults to second place just 2 percentage points behind Trumty Dumpty
in Iowa
Cream of BuckWheat Carson sinks 10 points in a month.

The Carson demise was an easy prediction,
and so was the advent of Cruz and Rubio rising.

However I am surprised that Rubio has been outshined by Cruz,
but this is still Iowa after all.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 11-26-2015

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RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 11-30-2015
Quote:I’m going to go out on a limb here to say that Team Hillary is far too sophisticated to try this, but stranger things have happened. Usually they have more reliable sourcing than this when they get reported, though. The owner of The Laugh Factory in Hollywood has told a number of people that he got a threatening call from a campaign staffer over the video of a Hillary Clinton “roast.” Club owner Jamie Masada told KTLA News in Los Angeles that the caller threatened to put him out of business if Masada didn’t remove the clip. Masada claims he refused, saying that comedians would always be free to express themselves in the famed stand-up hotspot:


RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-01-2015

Elizabeth Warren Only Female Senator Not To Endorse Hillary Clinton

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Two months before voting begins in the 2016 presidential primaries, Sen. Elizabeth Warrenremains the only female Democratic senator not to have endorsed Hillary Clinton.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 12-02-2015

The last week or so was of kind of the lull before the storm at next Republican debate.
I like what Trump said,
"If you want to get to be president, you have to go through Trump"

True enough in the Republican race,
but I was quite surprised to see Trump and Cruz neck and neck at 25 and 23 percent, 
and the slow motion sinkhole Carson losing chunks of percentage points and down to 18%.

Rubio languishing at the top of the second tier of candidates,
with the Aluminum Foil Lady Carly Fiorina chasing him,
and Chris the Refrigerator Christie gets an endorsement from a New Hampshire newspaper. 
Good to see Rand Paul hanging in there.

check out Ted  Naughty  Cruz
In the wake of Friday’s deadly shooting at a Planned Parenthood facility in Colorado, 

Quote:Ted Naughty  Cruz claimed:  
the "overwhelming majority of violent criminals are Democrats" Lol
and that the Democrats and media are politicizing the shooting.

The Texas lawmaker was asked about the shooting, which left three dead, 
during a radio interview with Hugh Hewitt Monday.
During the interview, 
Cruz said he believes Democrats are soft on crime because 
“an overwhelming majority of violent criminals are Democrats.”

When ABC News asked Cruz about his remarks today, 
he said he was “engaging in a process that is called "reasonable inference.”  Tp

"An inference is actually rational reasoning, which people do all the time,” he said.
Cruz claimed that elected officials appoint 
"senior Justice Department officials" and lawyers who "lionize" and "glorify" cop killers.

Cruz also told Hewitt the Colorado Springs shooting was “fundamentally wrong” 
and the work of a “deranged, homicidal killer.”

Ted Naughty  Cruz continues on Black Lives Matter Nonono

Quote:“You want to talk about inflamed rhetoric, 
Black Lives Matter has been caught, 
their protesters on film, 
chanting 'pigs in a blanket' Whip
'fry ‘em like bacon' Whip
Now that is hateful rhetoric Whip
and I don’t see any reporters asking Hillary Clinton Whip
when she meets with Black Lives Matter 
whether she agrees with those sentiments that we should be murdering police officers,” 
Cruz said Monday.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 12-02-2015

realign that last post to today's news

the polls showing Cruz at 23 % over Rubio were Iowa polls.

The Quinnipac poll today is national and shows Rubio in secong place at 17 %
behind Trump,
with Cruz and carson at 16%

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-03-2015


Let’s assume Trump is “working for Hillary” like all you dopes, sock puppets, Aussies and shills proclaim.
If that were the case, there is no way in HELL he’d be saying what he’s said about her so far (which I will remind you NONE of the other weak candidates would EVER say):
– Hillary should be in prison.
– Hillary did things ten times worse than Gen. Patreaus
– Hillary is the worst Sec. of State of all time.
– Hillary ignored Ambassador Stevens’ phone calls and requests.
– Hillary destroyed the Middle East.
IF Trump were a Clinton Shill, then he would NEVER say those things, because by saying those things he is causing Hillary TREMENDOUS damage.
Instead, he would say what the OTHER loser, bought ‘n paid for candidates say… which is NOTHING other than, “We have to beat Hillary Clinton.”
They never really criticize her strongly or say much of anything, except Trump.
So think about that. Explain THAT to me. You can’t.
Trump’s his own man and sure as hell isn’t Hillary’s bitch.
You Trump Haters need to come up with some new material, because the “he works for Hillary” canard is a massive fail on all counts. Nobody’s buyin’ it.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-04-2015
Quote:NY Times Magazine Editor: Hillary Clinton Would Be A Dangerous President

Klein, author of the bombshell new Clinton book “Unlikeable: The Problem With Hillary,” discussed the Clinton campaign in a wide-ranging interview Thursday morning on “Breitbart News Daily” with Steven K. Bannon on Sirius/XM Channel 125.

“I think her whole base is the Democratic left wing of the party, and in order to do whatever she wants to do in office, she will have to be very much like the current commander in chief Barack Obama and not go beyond what they, the base, will allow her to do,” Klein said, explaining why Clinton would be a “dangerous” president. “So we are not going to have in Hillary Clinton a commander in chief who will in fact re-assert America’s dominance and power in the world.”

“There’s a big chunk of America…that considers her untrustworthy,” Klein said. “Some of the truth has caught up with her. But I think the more people see her, the more they realize that this is a chameleon, someone who doesn’t really stand for anything except her own power. And she will say or do anything, and she has said or done anything, to get what she wants.”

Clinton’s handling of recent Islamic terrorist attacks also troubles Klein.

“Her base wants to hear guns, guns, and guns, and it has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism. In fact, she won’t even use the term ‘Islamic radicals.'”

“She said, oh let’s not make all Islam all Muslims bad guys. Well, nobody’s trying to make all Muslims bad…She refuses to say because her base doesn’t want to hear it, is that every single one of these awful depradations, these incredible massacres, are carried out in the name of Islam.”

Klein, formerly the editor of New York Times magazine and the author of numerous books on the Clintons and Obamas, said that even the media elites don’t want Clinton to be president.....


RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 12-04-2015

more national polls emerged Hmm2

they now show Trump with a 33 point lead over Bush Rofl

however Cruz indeed has taken a solid 2nd place spot

Carson on the teflon slide dropping 8 to 10 points in a month

Rubio still hanging in there

the debates on Dec 15 will clean out the lingering candidates

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-04-2015

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RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 12-07-2015

Washington Post ... goes after Trump
Donald Trump is a poison pill for the Republican Party

Quote:These are among the reasons that no mainstream party should associate with Mr. Trump, 
let alone support him should he somehow claim the GOP nomination. 
Republican leaders such as House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Wis.), 
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) 
and the various GOP presidential candidates should say, 
that they would never endorse or vote for him. 

Then they try to recommend that Bush <---> spend his big PAC money on an all out attack on Trump
How to beat Donald Trump: Perhaps an onslaught of negative ads by Bush

Quote:So why not change course and use all of that money 
to try to force such a shake-up? 
Simply put: 
Take all of the ad time Right to Rise has reserved for Iowa, 
New Hampshire and South Carolina 
and turn the fire hose on full blast against Trump. 
I am talking about a sustained ad campaign 
whose sole aim is to disqualify Trump — not boost Bush  Lol
Sure, Bush and Right to Rise have jabbed at Trump — 
and a super PAC supporting Ohio Gov. 
John Kasich’s campaign for the Republican nomination has gone into full attack mode against the Donald — 
but no one other than the Bush forces 
has the money to maintain a sustained negative ad campaign against Trump in, 
at least, the first three voting states for the next few months.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-08-2015

The people who gave us the Patriot Act ,TSA . Homeland Security ,Constitution Free Zones & NSA spying are now worry about Trump's plan > Hilarious.
Donald Trump, Under Fire, Defends Call to Block Muslims

Quote:As denunciations rained down on him from Washington and around the world, Donald J. Trump on Tuesday defended his call to block all Muslims from entering the United States, casting it as a temporary move in response to Islamic State terrorism and invoking President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s actions toward Japanese, German and Italian aliens during World War II as precedent.

Critics ranging from the House speaker, Paul D. Ryan, a Republican, to the Senate minority leader, Harry Reid, a Democrat, assailed Mr. Trump’s proposal as self-defeating and un-American. “Tell Donald Trump: Hate is not an American value,” Hillary Clinton wrote on Twitter.

The “super PAC” supporting Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor, unveiled its first attack ad against Mr. Trump, and Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina called him a “xenophobic, race-baiting, religious bigot.”

But Senator Ted Cruz, who is vying for much the same base of support that Mr. Trump now enjoys, declined to join in the scolding. “I commend Donald Trump for standing up and focusing America’s attention on the need to secure our borders,” he said at the Capitol.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-08-2015
Why we should go to Mars
Carter Banned Iranians from Coming to US During Hostage Crisis

Quote:Trump is a monster, a madman and a vile racist. He's just like Hitler. Or Jimmy Carter.
During the Iranian hostage crisis, Carter issued a number of orders to put pressure on Iran. Among these, Iranians were banned from entering the United States unless they oppose the Shiite Islamist regime or had a medical emergency.
Here's Jimmy "Hitler" Carter saying it back in 1980.
Quote:Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.
Apparently barring people from a terrorist country is not against "our values" after all. It may even be "who we are". Either that or Carter was a racist monster just like Trump.
Meanwhile here's how the Iranian students in the US were treated.
Quote:Carter orders 50,000 Iranian students in US to report to immigration office with view to deporting those in violation of their visas. On 27 December 1979, US appeals court allows deportation of Iranian students found in violation.
In November 1979, the Attorney General had given all Iranian students one month to report to the local immigration office. Around 7,000 were found in violation of their visas. Around 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the US.

Meanwhile any Iranians entering the US were forced to undergo secondary screening.
Interestingly enough, Carter did this by invoking the Nationality Act of 1952. A law originally opposed by Democrats for its attempt to restrict Communist immigration to the United States.

“If this oasis of the world should be overrun, perverted, contaminated, or destroyed, then the last flickering light of humanity will be extinguished,” Senator McCarran said of the law. He was a Democrat.

Now unlike Muslims, Iranians were not necessarily supportive of Islamic terrorism. Many were and are opponents of it. Khomeini didn't represent Iran as a country, but his Islamist allies. So Trump's proposal is far more legitimate than Carter's action. Carter targeted people by nationality. Trump's proposal does so by ideology.

Classifying Iranians as a group is closer to racism than classifying people by a racist supremacist ideology that calls for the mass murder and enslavement of non-Muslims, as ISIS is doing today.
One of the neater subsets of the 1952 Act barred the entry of, "(11) Aliens who are polygamists or who practice polygamy or advocate the practice of polygamy."
I wonder which creed this might apply to.

Maybe the professional conservatives running around shrieking their heads off can calm down now long enough to have a rational conversation on the subject.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-09-2015

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Rand Paul
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Yesterday the Obama White House had the nerve to say someone else was unqualified for office. After 5 years of acting like a King and ignoring our constitution, that takes a lot of nerve. Today I would like to put a mirror in front of the Obama White House and show them the top ten things that make HIM unqualified
1. Tried to take over 1/6 of economy in Obamacare, wrecked the system and hurt patients and taxpayers
2. Thinks an executive order is legislation and how you make... law
3. Fought an undeclared, unconstitutional war in Libya, turned it into Jihadist wonderland
4. Fighting an undeclared, unconstitutional war in Syria, trying to put ISIS in Damascus.
5. Signed into law the indefinite detention of American citizens
6. His copy of the bill of rights obviously goes from 1 to 3, skipping 2nd amendment.
7. Court ruled his NSA spying on every American was illegal.
8. He has added more debt than anyone in history.
9. Appointed an attorney general who thinks speech against Muslims is a bigger threat than terrorism.
10. EPA rules by executive FIAT trying to kill an entire American industry and way of life (coal).

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-09-2015
Benghazi Email From DOD Offered to Send Force To Save Mission During Attack

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Ever since the 9/11/12 attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, people have asked why a military team wasn't sent to rescue the Americans. The answer has always been that it was impossible to get a team to Benghazi in time to make a difference. Emails released today by Judicial Watch cast grave doubts about that explanation. 
The correspondence was from then-Department of Defense Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash and sent to State Department leadership.
Quote:The email immediately offered “forces that could move to Benghazi during the terrorist attack on the U.S. Special Mission Compound in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012.  In an email sent to top Department of State officials, at 7:19 p.m. ET, only hours after the attack had begun, Bash says, “we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak.”
Note that 7:19 PM Eastern time was September 12 at 1:19 AM Benghazi time.  According to published timelines, at least two of the eventual four killed were still alive.  The two, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, weren't killed until two hours and forty minutes later at approximately 4 AM Benghazi time.
In providing the emails, the Obama administration redacted the details of of the available military team, citing a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) exemption that allows the withholding of “deliberative process” information (the FOIA equivalent of executive privilege).
The email from Department of Defense Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash (embedded below) reads:
Quote:From: Bash, Jeremy CIV SD [REDACTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:19 PM
To: Sullivan, Jacob J; Sherman, Wendy R; Nides, Thomas R
Cc: Miller, James HON OSD POLICY; Wienefeld, James A ADM JSC VCJCS; Kelly, John LtGen SD; martin, dempsey [REDACTED]
Subject: Libya

State colleagues:
I just tried you on the phone but you were all in with S [apparent reference to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton].
After consulting with General Dempsey, General Ham and the Joint Staff, we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak. They include a [REDACTED].
Assuming Principals agree to deploy these elements, we will ask State to procure the approval from host nation. Please advise how you wish to convey that approval to us [REDACTED].
Jacob Sullivan was Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the time of the terrorist attack at Benghazi. Wendy Sherman was Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, the fourth-ranking official in the U.S. Department of State. Thomas Nides was the Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources.

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Beep Beep
Your Ass!

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 12-09-2015

on the Rand Paul post ... 2 posts back ... in the 1-10 list

Quote:10. EPA rules by executive FIAT trying to kill an entire American industry and way of life (coal).

that is a very good thing.
currently they are trying to railcar up to 36 freight trains a day thru Wa state
along the coast <---
full of fucking coal and coal dust,
to send to  Yak China
so that they can pollute the planet to death with their fucked up industrial models.

and the result?

China right now has emergency air pollution disasters in several cities,
with people told to stay inside,
don;t open windows Whip
don't breathe for 3 days Whip
all industries shut down Whip
and all that pollution rides the jet stream right over to Washington and Oregon state,
and Northern Cal as well.


the coal industry is a bad scam and should be shelved as an energy prospect

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-09-2015

I was a coal miner and dam proud to provide electricity to your door.
coal dust?
much ado about nothing.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-09-2015

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Quote:A U.S. Secret Service countersniper stands on the roof of the White House at sunrise, Sunday, Dec. 6, 2015, in Washington. President Barack Obama will address the nation from the Oval Office on Sunday night about the steps the government is taking to fulfill his highest priority: Keeping the American people safe. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik) Source

I am NOT a gun person but, realistically, guns don’t shoot all by themselves; foolish and mentally-misguided individuals do. Society needs to address why so many U.S. citizens are taking issues into their own hands. I don’t think we’ve addressed that properly—yet.

Governments train young men to kill during ‘political-muscle-flexing’ wars, but probably haven’t figured out there are long-lasting mental issues that some can’t deal with after having spent a ‘legal’ time killing people in other countries.

When will we learn violence is NOT the answer?

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 12-10-2015


Quote:coal dust?

much ado about nothing.

just because you were a coal miner   
doesn;t mean I ever used it as my power source here in Wa state,  Naughty
we have plenty of hydro electric power here

I was talking about China using coal energy 
and having to shut down entire cities due to primarily that coal pollution.

Do you deny that is happening now?

As far as coal dust goes, 
it isn't only the dust here that is going to be bad, 
the diesel fumes as well from excessive trains

In 2009 a representative from the company testified before a federal review board. 
He was asked how much dust escapes from each coal train car 
during a 400 mile trip. 
His answer? 645 pounds per car.

BNSF research has shown that the surfactants reduce the coal dust by about 85%.

That should bring the 645-pound figure down 

to about 100 pounds of coal dust escaping per car.
There are usually about 125 cars per coal train.

note the list of local doctors here in Bellingham that disagree with you

The proposed coal shipping terminal at Cherry Point 
will mean eighteen or more one-and-a- half mile long trains 

traveling across the state and through our communities each day
and nearly 400 ships traversing our waterways each year. 

This will result in the release of significant amounts of airborne pollutants 
from diesel engines and coal dust. 

The increased train traffic will also cause significant delays at many rail crossings,
 increased risk of vehicle and pedestrian injuries along the tracks,
and increased noise pollution. 

As a group of local physicians,
we are deeply concerned about the health and safety impacts of this proposal.
Our careful review of the data published in peer-reviewed medical journals shows that:

Diesel particulate matter is associated with (See Appendix A, Appendix C):
impaired pulmonary development in adolescents;
increased cardiopulmonary mortality and all-cause mortality;
measurable pulmonary inflammation;
increased severity and frequency of asthma attacks, ER visits, 
and hospital admissions in children;
increased rates of myocardial infarction (heart attack) in adults;
increased risk of cancer.

Coal dust is associated with (See Appendix B):
chronic bronchitis;
pulmonary fibrosis (pneumoconiosis);
environmental contamination through the leaching of toxic heavy metals

Noise exposure causes (See Appendix D):
cardiovascular disease, including increased blood pressure, arrhythmia,
stroke, and ischemic heart disease;
cognitive impairment in children;
sleep disturbance and resultant fatigue, hypertension, arrhythmia, 
and increased rate of accidents and injuries;
exacerbation of mental health disorders such as depression, 
stress and anxiety, and psychosis.

Frequent long trains at rail crossings will mean (See Appendix E):
delayed emergency medical service response times;
increased accidents, traumatic injury and death.

The effects of air pollution are not hypothetical, but real and measurable. 
Many of the reviewed studies, some of which were conducted in the Seattle area, 
show significant health effects of exposure to everyday airborne pollutant levels 
that are below national U.S. Environment Protection Agency (EPA) guidelines.

 The data show a linear effect with no specific “safe threshold.”
The conclusion that airborne pollutants pose a significant and measurable health risk was also found by the American Lung Association, in their review, 

“State of the Air 2011,”and by the American Heart Association, in their 2011 review, 
“Particulate Matter Air Pollution and Cardiovascular Disease.”
Puget Sound is in particular danger from diesel air pollution. 
A recent study from the National-Scale Air Toxics Assessment 
released by the EPA states that, 
“the Puget Sound region ranks in the country’s top five percent of risk 
for exposure to toxic air pollution.” 

A study in 2010 by the Puget Sound Clean Air Agency and the University of Washington showed that, 
“Diesel emissions remain the largest contributor to potential cancer risk in the Puget Sound area.”
As physicians, we feel the risks to human health from massive coal shipments across our state and through our communities are significant, 
and we call for a comprehensive Health Impact Assessment, 
in addition to an Environmental Impact Statement, 
addressing these issues along the entire rail corridor. 

While these studies are highly complex and require substantial resources and oversight, 
we feel they will, if done correctly, 
reveal that the potential for harm to human health and our environment are considerable 
and should not be ignored.

A scientific review of these health issues is available in the Appendices A-E to this Statement.
Key References:
American Heart Association statement
American Lung Association statement
Puget Sound Clear Air Agency document

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RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-10-2015

Very little dust is loss from trains do to spraying binder.
if train fumes are hurting you
shut down all diesel trucks in and out of Washington and parked your flipping car.
King county is one of the most dysfunction groups of twits in the USA.

and don't forget all those Jet fumes from Boeing and Seattle Int airport ( SeaTac or whatever) and numerous other landing strips in the area.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-10-2015

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RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Vianova - 12-10-2015


Quote:Very little dust is loss from trains do to spraying binder.

That is severe bullshit.
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645 pounds of coal dust   from EACH CAR   in a 125 CAR TRAIN ...

that is
12100 pounds of coal dust   for every train trip
36 trains a day
435,600 pounds of coal dust ---> sprayed with toxic binders EACH DAY
that is
158,994,000 ----> 159 million pounds of coal dust sprayed with toxic binders


so the fuck what?
the business failed and went bankrupt, 
and was relegated to useless in economic stature.

You would allow us here in Wa state to be poisoned by coal dust and train diesel fumes
to feed Chinese industries as an export venue, 
for a very few corrupt and greedy coal conglomerates in Montana where it is mined,
those Chinese industries were shut down for 3 days because of the air pollution
from coal fired plants
was so intolerably bad
the Chinese government had to tell it's own citizens to stay indoors!

all that pollution rides the JET STREAM
across the Pacific 
to Washington and Oregon!

That is pretty goddam bad and short sighted Wook,
just because you worked in a coal mine and want to defend that source of fucked up energy.

RE: Next President of the United Fates of America - Wook - 12-10-2015

I have work in the coal industry and energy
you haven't.
If your computer model claims that much coal dust
you should by a vacuum cleaner and make some big bucks. lol..

More pollutants will come from King County.

Short sighted>
yes that would be the dip shits shutting down this country's backbone which made this county.

I can't wait until the power is turned off to Cities.
short sighted?
that will be to dam bad for you.