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Ancient Civilisation on Mars my discoveries
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Quote:I looked at your new line through AD to the bottom corner point of the pyramid,
for a long time.
The line is really close to spot on.

You meant Arrow  AB not AD right? oops.
Recall:
Quote:you didn't even get the lettering correct in your above quote!

Your image has ... AB and GE <---

I am not here to do peoples homework for them,

Well we'll let this slide... Typos to Topos

We both make mistakes.



Quote:You are confusing a --->  35.26438968 degree ---> tetrahedral angle,
or arctangent sqrt {1 / 2},
with
33.3 degrees,  {two completely different and dissimilar tangents},
by extrapolating from a small blurry image, 
and eyeballing what you think is accuracy.

You did not display where true east is either.
Are you trying to say that line PEB is due east <-----  ?
I don't know, so you prove that.



when compared to:
my lines are poor and experimental,

so the image is merely to facilitate observations

And we'll forget about.

and I don't want to infer that this image is efficiently and scrutinously accurate in line drawings. <---

On the contrary it is fully experimental until better resolved.


Parcel off is as cut/paste was but I claimed my images were simple experiments much like yours are as we progress but I won't call 'em bull-shit or lazy.


I am still unclear what you think Carlotto means so that is a major stumbling block between us is what his theory is.

Let's look into it.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=srxWAgA...rs&f=false


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You can read the methods for yourself.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=srxWAgA...rs&f=false
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March 10th to April 21.
Seldom seen a newcomer get unraveled so quickly.

As tho he stepped onto the stage and popped into to a puff of smoke in one and the same moment.
Hope Mform didn't get too badly bruised?

I came here about a month after the place opened for business, had my head full of the 'Giant Tubes' that everyone everywhere else was talking about. Everything seemed to line up that they were actually collapsed ruins.
Didn't take long to get that misconception straightened out, and I did not feel compelled to over argue the point against people with better information and experience.
As far as giant constructs go, TFOM and the Tetrahedron structure Keith pointed out some time ago are just two of a very small number of Mar's megaliths that I might feel compelled to stand firm on. I do not have the background to defend others, but there are other avenues by which a case for ancient colonization of Mars might be argued, one of which is.... did we have the technology to travel between the planets, and do we find hints here on Earth, and possibly even the Moon that such a program once existed?
I have argued those points in both threads about the 'GOLDEN FLYERS', and 'APOLLO DIGS 2'.
I leave other, less well evidenced theories alone, and perhaps that is why I have been tolerated to a degree over this last decade?
Something to consider. Sometimes the impossibly huge constructs are a difficult defense, and the small, backdoor avenues hold up better.
So, the words Autumn and Fall are not to be capitalized?
They are in my world!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said, "See, this is new?"It has been already, in the ages before us. Ecc 1: 9-10
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Hi FSB! Glad to see you're present.

Quote:Something to consider. Sometimes the impossibly huge constructs are a difficult defense, and the small, backdoor avenues hold up better.

If you read the page I screen-captured and posted carlotto is aware of the mounds and soltice theory of Crater/McDaniels and Hoagland respectively.

He did as you say and included the mounds in his study that led to his 33.3 orient.

Quote:I came here about a month after the place opened for business, had my head full of the 'Giant Tubes' that everyone everywhere else was talking about. Everything seemed to line up that they were actually collapsed ruins.

Didn't take long to get that misconception straightened out, and I did not feel compelled to over argue the point against people with better information and experience.


Therefore the mounds being small not only should "hold up better" in your opinion but should also be measurable with our new-fangled google-gizmos.
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This new tool can ferret out angles to 5 digit accuracy... and is locked into the cardinals.

Accurate length width and even > eye altitude< as height(elevation) can be taken.

The mounds started out back in the day of 'Giant Tubes'  as albedo points.

They ain't albedo points anymore.

We can define them better than old school now.
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Hey Clay!

Yeah! Still kicking, but my enthusiasm for soldering on began to flag from time to time recently.
Moving on past that low time, and beginning to look ahead to a warm Summer, me and Jake playing fetch the dog bumper while me enjoying a toddie under the big Globe Willow in the back yard.
Working things out in my mind about building a new ultra fine Gold recovery system. Looks promising, and I can check this one out on the river, and still sleep in my own bed every night instead of traveling to California only to find the rivers at flood stage like 7 years ago.
Local buddies are trying to tempt me to go out after Kokanee salmon on a local lake in their boat, but the 'Boss' says I will have to just be content to watch her mow the lawn until the Doc gives me a release, and that may be a month ahead yet?
Well, if I behave now, the time will pass....I suppose?
So, the words Autumn and Fall are not to be capitalized?
They are in my world!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said, "See, this is new?"It has been already, in the ages before us. Ecc 1: 9-10
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(04-22-2018, 11:39 PM)Fsbirdhouse Wrote: Local buddies are trying to tempt me to go out after Kokanee salmon on a local lake in their boat, but the 'Boss' says I will have to just be content to watch her mow the lawn until the Doc gives me a release, and that may be a month ahead yet?
Well, if I behave now, the time will pass....I suppose?

I have to visit my cardiac doc Tuesday morning.  So YES - follow the "Boss" advice.  Until your Doc says you can do these things do NOT over work, stress, or worrying about different issues...get into self-reflection.

Listen to 432 hz music, and learn how to relax your muscles even while sitting- stop and check and take an inventory how many muscles are 'in tension' mode.  You'll be surprised how one can be tensed while sitting "relaxed."

You'll find your calves tensioning up, shoulders, arms, etc.

As for the dialogue about phi #'s I just watched a Crop Circles movie Amazon Firestick (Glyphs as I prefer to call them) in nearly ALL REAL Crop Glyphs have the "Squaring of the Circle" where Phi is integrated into the pattern.

When I get a chance I'll try to record them, or at least list them and see if they are on YouTube.

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Slop Naughty   ... is missing the line from mound A -- directly --through mound B, as you did,
from your first image and the inception of your idea. 
I am glad that you figured it out on your own.
That is why I didn't go to Google Mars last night,
I wanted to see if you would do the exact work, and you did.

I did however go to Google Mars,
and simply use a higher magnification there, to accommodate the same result quickly.

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Though you initially tried to draw a line from mounds A through B,
you did however stumble upon the line,
that one can draw --- only from mound A,
through the D&M to the pyramid base corner point,
and that angle is close enough to 33.33~ degrees.
That is very interesting indeed, good work.

My point from the beginning was about slop in approximations,
with line drawing on Mars maps.
Think about it,
even the line itself that Google Mars draws on the surface ... may be 50 - 100 meters wide.

That alone develops lots of flex and elbow room when drawing lines.
Lines like the rectangle around the Face Whip
and then determining angles.
I don't think you have a 33.34 degree angle in your Face rectangle Nonono

Supplied earlier by me, was a large image of the Face for the purpose of redrawing the rectangle.
I tried it to my specifications,
and arrived at much different angles.
here is your original:


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your meter length 
2784.436 
equals
9135.288 feet
and
when I measured that length on Google Mars ... though that is of course slightly interpretive in lengths, 
I found between 8800 - 9000 feet.
8800 looked closer.
Perhaps it would be prudent to redraw your rectangle around the Face,
on a more superior image of a much larger Face.
I would like to see where you place your rectangle lines <--- around the Face,
and the angles you come up with,
in the superior image.

quote V:

Quote:Keith's Face image is perfect to approach the exercise with, 
and this is the original ... I took this and rotated it 3 degrees to the left for optimum line drawing [Image: whip.gif]


titled: MRO Face My Way, at the link.
At the link you will have to reduce image size dramatically to draw a rectangle around it.

http://www.thehiddenmission.com/images/f...erHP33.jpg
[url=http://www.thehiddenmission.com/images/face-filterHP33.jpg][/url]

you will have to dramatically reduce the image size at Keith's link,
to draw the new rectangle {if you are interested}

[Image: face-filterHP33.jpg]



the angles I came up with were very interesting to my perspective,
and did not match the 33.33-34 degrees.
So it all depends,
on where the rectangle lines are -- redrawn -- on a more competent image of the Face Whip

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PS ... that 8800 - 9000 foot length is over elevation of the central vertical axis of the Face,
and along the sides it appears to be less on the flat surface.\
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Quote:March 10th to April 21.
Seldom seen a newcomer get unraveled so quickly.

As tho he stepped onto the stage and popped into to a puff of smoke in one and the same moment.
Hope Mform didn't get too badly bruised?

He ain't no newcomer...just an ol' soul @ THM who is welcome at anytime to further discuss his discoveries...
I'm sure he's watching .
Meanwhile,You heal-up and take her easy.



Vianova.


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This image was the hybrid developed between discussions between you and I in numerous threads...

(now including this one... Since Mform has been on board since way back in the day but went back to lurk mode)

It was posted here: #64
But originated over multiple threads to arrive @ the 3,333 meter length wich obviously is a length not an angle.

As context from those debates is missing in the image.  Recall: I Eyeballed that rectangle around the face and drew the cross-hair and ~33.3 diagonals by eye
The relevant info is from the triangle calculator and not on my: Arrow 
my lines are poor and experimental,

so the image is merely to facilitate observations
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and I don't want to infer that this image is efficiently and scrutinously accurate in line drawings. <---

On the contrary it is fully experimental until better resolved.

We resolved the issues previously together during our earlier investigations and my bestest most sloppiest model would be that one facet of the D&M is ~3,333 meters and so is the diagonal of the Face. By measure and not by eye... anyways/Ignore the Drawing because it is small and merely demonstrative. Sticking a protractor up against it wasn't intended.

It is intended to test on google mars...wich you seem to accept as the 'Standard'


Perhaps it would be prudent to redraw your rectangle around the Face,

on a more superior image of a much larger Face.


If prudential results in the evidential then eye want to witness it.

But why did you have to "Rotate it".

Not only rotate it but in your description of methods You start from the Central Vertical axis and construct a rectangle from there?

How the hell do you do that? Cry  That's beyond my means.

I just make a "FRAME OF REFERENCE" that encloses the entire lozenge.

And I used Van Flandern's Meta-Research's Hot-linked image that went Directly to an Esa image to absolve myself fron any 'rotation' whatsoever.

so the vertical re-orientation of the ESA face was done by Dr.Neukum et all @ DLR.

I just draw Boxes around that version because nobody can claim I rotated it to fit any model. Itza standard ESA Product.

Though you initially tried to draw a line from mounds A through B,

you did however stumble upon the line,
that one can draw --- only from mound A,
through the D&M to the pyramid base corner point,
and that angle is close enough to 33.33~ degrees.
That is very interesting indeed, good work.

I try.

PS ... that 8800 - 9000 foot length is over elevation of the central vertical axis of the Face,

and along the sides it appears to be less on the flat surface.\


But that brings up the Metric conundrum about altitude and Cydonia 3-D

an altogether different chess-board which adds the 3rd dimension.

You add in Crater/McDaniel/Hoagland/Carlotto "Timeline" theories and that supplies the 4th.

So before we leave 2-D and enter 3 there is the typos to topos to tempus-fugit  don't forget(Solstical)

So in your words...What the hell does this mean in Cubits.
Though you initially tried to draw a line from mounds A through B,


you did however stumble upon the line,
that one can draw --- only from mound A,
through the D&M to the pyramid base corner point,
and that angle is close enough to 33.33~ degrees.
That is very interesting indeed, good work.
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Carlotto Based 3-D.
Point is as same difference was.
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Slop [Image: naughty.gif]   ... is missing the line from mound A -- directly --through mound B, as you did,
I agree Same Difference.
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Quote:Perhaps it would be prudent to redraw your rectangle around the Face,

on a more superior image of a much larger Face.


If prudential results in the evidential then eye want to witness it.

But why did you have to "Rotate it".

Not only rotate it but in your description of methods You start from the Central Vertical axis and construct a rectangle from there?

How the hell do you do that? [Image: cry.png]  That's beyond my means.

I just make a "FRAME OF REFERENCE" that encloses the entire lozenge.

Before I go Rotate an image from Keith and drawing lines all over it I practised on the ESA standard we've settled on as the next best thing to ideal.

It is not as easy working inside out.

I cropped enough of the Face and added it into the mix to leave out the cross-hatched portions of my practice rectangle and slopped it between A/B again.

It still seems to line up pretty decent.

[Image: 40768021005_cf18ee512b_o.jpg]eyeball by electric_ashalar, on Flickr

That means A/B and G/E ain't the same?
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Just because I said I would about Phi being INTRINSIC in Crop Glyphs is in this video:




Even though I cannot "think" automatically in meters than feet...meters are used MOST around the planet and in "scientific" jargon and language.  Crop Clyphs are ALSO in 3-D and 4-D dimensions as this documentary points out.

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Quote:This image was the hybrid developed between discussions between you and I in numerous threads...

I never had anything to do with your measurements on your tiny Face image.
Those are exclusively yours.

I took Keith's image <--- and simply used a common image program to rotate it 3 degrees.
You do not have to do that <---
I did it, 
because it facilitated a better horizontal / vertical placement of the Face, 
for drawing lines.

So I tried it without a rotation <---
straight up out of Keith's image.
the results were the same.
You can do the samething with Keith's image of the Face

There is no 33.34 degee angle in the Face,
not even close by my line drawing,
which is why I want to see your NEW rectangle around a competent Face image.

Your initial measurents of the lengths are way off,
because,
you used,
too small of an image of the Face  Whip
which is a recipe for slop,
when using lines that may be 50-100 meters thick on a tiny Face image.

You need a larger Face image,
to competently perform measures,
and then even the angles may have a + or - 1 degree factor of error,
dependent upon:
exactly where you draw your rectangle lines <----.


In that tiny image of the Face you employed,
your lines may be 50-100+ meters in width.
Your 2784 meter length is off by around 200- 250 meters <---  Naughty

Certainly,
you can go into google Mars and see that for yourself <---
Draw a length line on the west side of the Face.

I gave you Keith's Face image twice now.
Just use that without a rotation of 3 degrees.
Draw your rectangle around it.
I want to see where you place the lines adjacent to the Face on all sides.

Use the thinnest line your image program will allow Whip

I have my images ready, you need to produce a new Face rectangle,
with a COMPETENT Face image.

Third time Scream
Keith's image.


Simply reduce image size on the image you see -- to fit inside the monitor screen,
copy it,
then put in an image file,
then draw your rectangle and diagonals fro the angle measurements.

I have my magnification set at 175 % here at HM.

http://www.thehiddenmission.com/images/f...erHP33.jpg

[Image: face-filterHP33.jpg]


I reduced image size from 175% -- of what you see here --  to ---> 100%,
and it fits perfectly in to work the lines.
You should have a large enough competent image to work with.

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in other words,
pick a line placement.
This image should be large enough to work.

In the case of the Face, too much comes into play in the evil "eyeballing".
No matter what,
the placement of especially the THIN lines becomes interpretive to the viewer.
I tried it well over a hundred fifty times from every angle perspective,
and line placement possibly considered to my perspective.
Which is why I want to see an independent rectangular lined placement scheme.

I don't see where 33.3 or 56.7 degrees works with the line boundary placements possible.
I do see a liberal spread in the possibility of the angle A <--- in my diagram,
and,
I have that narrowed down further to as concisely accurate as possible,
but suffice it to say that three different highly important geometries exist,
between the -- liberal spread in degrees of angle A,
dependent upon line placements.
It then becomes a statistical accounting over a hundred + tries of setting the boundary lines,
and measuring the angles,
to come up with the highest statistical choice {s}.


The three thin lined vertically columns on each side of the Face all together,
are thinner than the thick lines used on a smaller Face image.
 
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(04-24-2018, 05:03 PM)Vianova Wrote: ...
in other words,
pick a line placement.
This image should be large enough to work.

In the case of the Face, too much comes into play in the evil "eyeballing".

[Image: 41647880632_328a1000b2_o.jpg]ESA VS NASA by electric_ashalar, on Flickr

I see your conundrum.

Quote:I tried it well over a hundred fifty times from every angle perspective,

and line placement possibly considered to my perspective.

It goes sum-thing like This:

Mars Global Surveyor Was Hi-Res but not quite right.
Then came oddyssey Lower res-vis but Nadir
Then Came Stereo MEX
Then MRO

Keith could work his magic on each and every image but that doesn't mean they'll all register.

The Eyes have it.

Themis Visible And Esa are clearly compatible while MGS and MRO are'nt.

Look at the Lion Eye.
Then Look at the Hominid.

MGS is whacked out and MRO seems slightly outta whack! compared to oddeyssey and esa
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actually they're ALL out of whack, getting the various satellite images to register is like herding cats.

the MEX Cydonia image... doesn't line up... the Themis vis and IR... don't line up... MGS damn sure didn't, and MRO has the 'problem' of being so high res that any emission angle skews them so they ... don't line up either.
On a satellite I ride. Nothing down below can hide.
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Unfortunate,
I could not get anyone to courage up a try at placing a rectangle around the Face.

Since all the references are askew as Keith pointed out,
then the 33.3 degree angle is still possible.
If the MRO image is the highest resolution we use that.
You have to use something as a standard.
Using that image <---> I don't get a 33.3 degree angle or even close.
But then there is still a degree of ... eyeballing Damned

So my process was one of determining from a selection of averages in rectangle placements,
using a large Face with thin lines defining the rectangle,
to reduce slop in the final outcome.


I see an approximate dimension of 2600 by 1950 meters.  + or - 50 meters
Approximate. -- a reference dimensional framework

Just for convenience use 2600 meters as the vertical length average.
2600 by 1950 meters
gives you the 
3-4-5 triangle of the Khafre Pyramid. ---- arctan 1.333333333 = 53.313--- degrees
However,
just a hair away,
is pentagonal 54 degrees --- 2600 / 1889.01 meters
or
tetrahedral
2600 / 1838.477  meters  = 54.7356 degrees

Point being,
that within a 1.6 degree spread,
there are three highly important angles of universal consequence.

then it needs to be scrutinized as to:
what I WANT it to be.

I want it to be the Khafre pyramid 3-4-5 triangle geometry,
because then angle B -- the central angle at the nose -- would have tangent -- 24 / 7 --
which will align an extremely important very short cycle in years --- planetary timeline,
with the Mars sidereal of 686.98 days <---

After tallying up hundred + tries at line placements for the rectangle,
I get angle A,
in my diagrams to be between 53 and 54 degrees.
I found it relatively impossible to discriminate between the two in measures,
but the statistical accounting pointed slightly more to 54 degrees.

After further scrutiny I chose the 54 degree angle as angle A.
That makes angle B = 72 degrees <---
This is pure pentagonal geometry that involves phi.

So refined eyeballing Damned in this case with Keith's Face produces this pentagonal angle design,
but remember,
angle A -- at 54 degrees -- is only 0.87 degrees off of -- 53.13--- degrees --- Khafre side face angle.

If you take the vertical lines I have placed there and move them both in towards the Face just a bit,
you will get a tetrahedral alignment,
with angle B = 70.528 degrees. and angle A as 54.7356--- degrees.

If you adjust the horizontal boundaries inwards a hair and the left side vertical a smidge, {half a hair Rofl }
you get angle A as the Khafre pyramid angle.

Or you can simply shift the entire rectangle a hair to the east for another angle A = 72 degrees.

So, since EYEBALLING is in fashion Whip
and I have attempted to reduce the factor of error greatly in eyballing,
there are further surprises --- for later scrutiny, but for fun and possibilities now.

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or this


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and if you use 72 degrees as angle B   Hi
then
you can do this with flip mirror symmetry  Reefer
and bingo Whip

Golden Rectangle

{ V note -- if angle B is tetrahedral 70.5 --- then this would be a square root two rectangle}


artsy fartsy ?  trippin' ? or is it all sacred geometry ?

Eyeballs

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(04-25-2018, 12:01 PM)Keith Wrote: actually they're ALL out of whack, getting the various satellite images to register is like herding cats.

the MEX Cydonia image... doesn't line up... the Themis vis and IR... don't line up... MGS damn sure didn't, and MRO has the 'problem' of being so high res that any emission angle skews them so they ... don't line up either.

Itza great exercise though.

But who can determine the degree of how out of whack each is.

The Two-Stu's and Bamf and co,et all.

That's one of their inside jokes.

These aren't (Alphabet Soup Sgencies)>>>See-Eye-Eh or An-Essay  Intelligence Recon Satellites<<< They are Naw Saw / M-SSS products
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What I wonder is how THIS:

[Image: mjcFace.gif]

Turn into a DUST PASTED MATERIAL where the two nostrils and lips are "scourged" ???

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yeah 007,and to think...

if jpl/nasa employee tobias owen would have never saw the face in the first place, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

but since he saw a face the controversy he accidentally? started remains to this day.

The debate nor the poof-dust has settled yet.




actually they're ALL out of whack, getting the various satellite images to register is like herding Hearding cats.

Hear Here! Arrow

(04-25-2018, 03:55 PM)Vianova Wrote: ...
Unfortunate,
I could not get anyone to courage up a try at placing a rectangle around the Face.
[Image: 40989332214_24ba2ba702_o.jpg]the ears have it by electric_ashalar, on Flickr

 Been there done that... Ears ago with the MRO

Since all the references are askew as Keith pointed out,
then the 33.3 degree angle is still possible.

However slightly.

If the MRO image is the highest resolution we use that.
You have to use something as a standard.
Using that image <---> I don't get a 33.3 degree angle or even close.
But then there is still a degree of ... eyeballing Damned

Yep...look at the MRO compared to MEX
In my image above you can clearly see that Hi-Rise totally misses the Hominid Eye-ball and mis-aligns with the Lion-Eye and while Eye have your Ear listen Hear.
The Diagonal ~ North Misses the tip of the Lion-Ear on the Hirise.


So my process was one of determining from a selection of averages in rectangle placements,
using a large Face with thin lines defining the rectangle,
to reduce slop in the final outcome.

That's essentially what Carlotto did (mounds included)  He was state of the art back in the day and how we veered where that steered.He ended up @ ~33.3 you went that-away... Arrow Un-confident of that method when MJC uses it even though  he wrote the book about it.(literally lol!)


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Eye Hear your conundrum.
It hasn't fallen on a deaf ear.
Eye share it with you.
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Keith's image was the best one to use.
If you suspect, believe, or are searching for "sacred geometry" in Cydonia grids,
then you should expect to see that expressed by the Face.
I certainly perfomed due diligence,
in generating a large statistical selection of conforming rectangles to the Face,
in my research,
trying hundreds of rectangle alignments to balance out a process of elimination.

Once a defined and very narrow limit of angles is statistically isolated,
by process of elimination,
you then look for the "sacred geometry" possibilities within those targeted angle parameters.

The 72 central degree central angle fit the most ... like a glove in Keith's image of the Face.
The Golden Rectangle produced by the flip mirror processing should be no surprise,
and measures accurately.
Icing on the cake.
I am confident that -- the true angle A -- in my diagrams of the Face,
is one of the three,
sacred geometry functions aforementioned:
Khafre Pyramid 3-4-5 triangle geometry  -- 53.13 --- degrees
Pentagonal geometry  -- 54 degrees
or
tetrahedral geometry -- 54.7356 degrees.

As a statistical study of accounting for the best possible choice of rectangle around the Face,
the 54 degree corner angles A -- and --  the 72 degree central angle B,

got the best repeat performance statistics,
over the long list of attempts made to accurately encompass the Face with a tight clean rectangle.

So now I have an 53 km ziggurat on ancient Mars,
and a -- Golden Phi Rectangle -- hidden in The Face.


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Quote:If you suspect, believe, or are searching for "sacred geometry" in Cydonia grids,(I Wasn't -EA)
then you should expect to see that expressed by the Face.
I certainly perfomed due diligence,


Golden Phi was as Fractal is?

Analysis of images of the'face'on Mars and possible intelligent origin
adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990JBIS...43..203O
by B O'Leary - ‎1990 - ‎Cited by 7 - ‎Related articles
Critics of the intelligent origin hypothesis assert that the face is natural by analogy to the Old Man of the Mountain in New Hampshire, which is also natural. But the Old Man is rendered in only one dimension. Also, Carlotto's more recent results showing a non-fractal face argue for possible non-natural origin. Higher ...


You seem @ odds with Carlotto.
He's paid due diligence too.

I prefer Esa as the Standard.

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Non Fractal ESA?
It looks The Least Natural in Orthorectification

Eye don't know about the Phi part???
At least you still have an 53 km ziggurat on ancient Mars,

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AS great as at rendering the face as Keith did... It won't jibe with Esa.


A Question For Keith:

Did you rotate the image 33 degrees?
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Quote:adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990JBIS...43..203O
by B O'Leary - ‎1990


That ridiculous abstract is 28 years old.
Far too much has happened since then,
and I could care less if Carlotto saw fractal bubbles while looking for fractal baubles ... or not.

If there is no sacred geometry in the Face,
then there is no city grid or any other geometry out there,
aside from the pentad and hexad formations which are proven.
I am surpised that after all this time that you think the Face is a random geometry.
You are wasting my time.
There is a 30 year history of geometry applications to cydonia,
with a series of overlaid grids published.


Quote:Eye don't know about the Phi part???


The phi rectangle is called having fun with old Max the Knife style Cydonia and Face illusions.
I thought that was clear.
That is my sense of humor.
You had to know that.
The gold lined rectangle was EYEBALLED around rectangle present,
and as it sits,
it is a golden rectangle made from an --- illusory concept. 
 
I have a 53 kilomter ziggurat and a golden rectangle in The Face.
Itza fucking joke.

But the 54-72-54 degree angle in the Face itself, is not a joke.

It is highly viable and measurable with Google Mars.
Yes there is a tiny measure of slop,
the true angle is between 53 and 54 degrees,
determined from a statistical accounting that you would never undertake,
with far less slop than the measures you made of the Face years ago,
off by hundreds of meters.
Slop that you created perfectly to accomodate your 33.3 degree angle,
and a 3333 meter diagonal  Doh
which does not exist in the Face.

I took the exercise seriously in trying to find the angles,
you entertain yourself,
which is fine,
I just won't waste my time with it here anymore.
Like I said, 
I took the exercise seriously as an investigation mathematically and geometrically into the Face.
I have never done that before,
other than casual observation of other peoples botch jobs.


The Face,
is meant to be seen from space IMO.
All huge constructs seen in pyramids on Earth have a defined sacred geometry that is interconnected.
Everything you see at Cydonia should be no different,
including Carlotto's design of the D&M geometry.
If the Face has no definable geometry,
that evolves from important known geometry building blocks of the universe,
the neither does the D&M.

Hi

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I'm thinking the face had to be rotated somewhere near 17 degrees to be straight up and down from map projected, but I'm not certain. The dimensions of the face as well as its placement among the other items always did it for me.
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It doesn't matter if you rotate the Face 133 degrees or 233 degrees.
What matters is the enclosed rectangle fitting as closely to the Face as distinctly as possible.
In EA's latest rectangle with the red lines just posted,
his vertical dimension alone is off by about 100 meters,
as the line at the top of the head clearly misses the top of the head by about 50-65 meters,
and misses the bottom of the chin by about 25-30 meters or so. 

I don't like his placement of the line on the east side of the Face,
but that one is far more interpretive to each viewer's EYE balling. 

This is what I meant about trying 150 rectangles and choosing the most snug fit,
of the rectangle through process of elimination.
No matter what you will still end up having a small factor of slop or error.
Reducing the factor of slop and error is what I tried to do.
I think that I perform that exercise better than anyone.

A 71.5 -- 71.6 --71.7 ---> 71.8 degree central angle is not a 72 degree central angle. {angle B}
The 71.5 - 6 - 7 - 8  degree angles have no specific sacred geometry,
and have no application to geometries that are building blocks of the universe.

You want to see some form of square root 2, square root 3, or square root 5 geometry,
as the fundamental building blocks of geometries.
These are the geometries that build all the crystallizations as they become more complex.

The beauty of the Khafre Pyramid 3-4-5 geometry,
is that it is essentially a bridge between the tetrahedral and golden rectangles,
and I prove that with my geometry designs from the Cydonia hexad.

The 3-4-5 triangle geometry of the Khafre Pyramid,
---> will fully display phi and inverse phi geometry <---- {golden rectangle geometry}
which allows an alternative to --- square root five pentagonal geometry {72 degree central angle B}
from which the golden rectangle evolves.

My personal choice for the Face was the Khafre pyramid side face angle --- 53.13----degrees,
that would be angle A, 
in my diagrams.
That is what I want it to be -- so it is a biased choice -- somewhat.

The statistical analysis I performed --- from my perspective of Face rectangle alignments --
however gave the edge to angle A  = 54 degrees,
with central angle B = 72 degrees ---> the central angle of the pentagon <---

EYEBALLS 

One cannot really discriminate between the two angles from eyeballing the Face rectangle,
no matter how snug you make it fit.

I also tried the 33.3 degree angle <---
and that would make angle A = 56.7 degrees.
and central angle B = 66.6 degrees <---
That central angle just does not appear anywhere close --- using Keith's Face as the template.

I did however expand greatly upon the Khafre geometry as a Face construct in new drawings,
{angle A = 53.13010235 degrees}  --- 3 - 4 - 5  triangle geometry,
because it generates spectacular geometry within the Face.
I will eventually post that in the the Pyramid thread,'
as the exercise here is a lost cause at this point.

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hmm,
now that I'm re-looking at it- the face is indeed oriented 33.3 degrees from north.
the closest estimate I can give on the face's area
while accounting for non crisp borderlines on an ancient structure is
2750x1950m and that's with a fudge factor of ~15 m

We really need to go into wikipedia and change the false information they have on it there.
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(04-27-2018, 05:10 PM)Keith Wrote: hmm,
now that I'm re-looking at it- the face is indeed oriented 33.3 degrees from north.
the closest estimate I can give on the face's area
while accounting for non crisp borderlines on an ancient structure is
2750x1950m and that's with a fudge factor of ~15 m

We really need to go into wikipedia and change the false information they have on it there.

Holy Pheye !
(Pheye =  ~ 33.3)
What if the 33.3 wasn't Carlotto
Not only solstice based.
Also consider In itz stead:

The NASA Fact Sheet Mars/Earth Ratio?

https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/fa...sfact.html

[Image: 41708211002_19b1c6999d_z.jpg]

https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/fa...sfact.html

Quote:I took the exercise seriously in trying to find the angles,
you entertain yourself,


entertain the thoth at:  ~all ma'at @ that.(themis even)



Thatz TWO possibilities. ~33.3 Naughty

Sometimes 1/1.524 Sum-X's  an astronomical unit = a counter-intuitive reason.

Speaking of slop til you drop...

Tobias Owen Absence of Malice is as Presence of Malin was??? To Bias Own.

Who made the Cameras and who wrote the software to render it.
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Vic.
Try This.

Divide the MRO image like this.

On the vertical Axis Divide your product by Quarters and also alternately by Thirds.

Usethe mro hirise.



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I'd like to see your results compared to an ESA standard.
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I just prefer ESA,exactly not like you do.
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2750 by 1950 -- Keith's data in meters.  {fudge factor 15 meters}

I didn't see that vertical length 2750 in my Damned on google Mars.
I was measuring it at the angle of the Face as seen on google however,
and that is probably why.  
Keith's data is -- data from a better expert <--- with much more experience at this than I have.
We were in exact agreement on the width at 1950 meters.

But as a nice bonus,
his dimensions come extremely close to tetrahedral geometry <---

This creates angle A <--- in my image diagrams,
Keith' data -- meters -- translated into angles -- exact,
angle A:
2750  /  1950 --- 54.65989308 degrees ---- and tetrahedral  =  54.73561032  degrees.    

Using his "fudge factor"
of 15 meters:

2735  /  1935  --- 54.72076776 degrees, ---- and tetrahedral  =  54.73561032  degrees = angle A.
off by 1 / 100 degrees --- 0.01 degrees Whip


Safe to say that -- tetrahedral 70.52877937 degrees --- is the best choice for angle B ---  in Keith's data.   
That would be Dr. Horace Crater's:
Electron Spin Angle  Applause
and
thus the Face would be a tetrahedral construct exactly like the Pentad and Hexad mounds Whip


If you set 2750 meters as the exact vertical height,
and you want an EXACT tetrahedral angle,
the width would be:
1944.543648  meters <----

If you want to create a -- metric cubit --- for 2750,
there would be:
133.333333333~  x  20.625 meters <-----

for 1944.543648  meters <---> = 94.28090416  x  20.625 meters
now
take
that
number
94.28090416 ----> divide by 100 ----> 0.9428090416 --- 
{you have to round the tenth decimal for the hand calculator} --- 0.942809042 ---
and
that is the EXACT tangent of the Khafre Pyramid ---Corner Angle  Hi
0.9428090416  =  sqrt {8 / 9}


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Quote:Sometimes 1/1.524 Sum-X's  an astronomical unit = a counter-intuitive reason.

that is 33.28 degrees -- you are off by a half degree. -- 0.5 degrees
If you were off by 0.1 degrees then you could use that evidence.


There is no 33.3 degree angle in the Face, period.
To get that angle,
the central angle B,
has to be 66.6 degrees <---- Whip
There is no concoction of rectangles even remotely close to produce that.
Attempting to play out a 33.3 degree angle in the Face ... is like this:

Beat_deadhorse


In EA's last image,
of subdividing that ridiculously small and smudgy ESA version of the Face,
I have no idea of what he is talking about,
and it looks like an exercise in fruitless excess.
EA, you would need to create a rectangle over the Face,
---> that produces a 66.6 degree central angle B <---

Nonetheless  --->  EA presented evidence,
in his rectangle circumscribing the Face {finally after pulling teeth}
and his evidence has to be considered as possible.

So here is what I did last night before reading all this ... this morning.
I attempted to consolidate his design,
and my design together into an average with scrutiny to exactness.

EA's top of the head -- horizontal line is way off -- that is quite easy to see.
I accommodated that by  raising my original line a bit,
to accomodate his excess.

His -- east vertical line -- was too a little too far inwards on the Face,
and that can be proved with measures from central symmetry lines <---

Nonetheless, I took his line on the --- east side,
and used that as evidence,
and redrew my line on the east side <---
about half way between his choice,
and my earlier alignment, 
which does snug it in a little better perhaps,
and creates good symmetry.

I felt that  EA's horizontal chin line on the Face was too far below the actual chin line.
Nonetheless, I took his line under the chin,
and used that as evidence,
and redrew,
my chin line Whip
closer to his line,
but still snugging perfectly the bottom of the chin.

So what I am saying,
is that I took EA's presented rectangular evidence -- and compromised my own lines,
so that a better rectangle might possibly be drawn,
in an average.


As I said from the beginning,
I found:
from 53 -55 degrees ---> for angle A.
My measures pointed to -- angle A = 54 degrees --- pentagonal.
----------------> tetrahedral angle A = 54.73561032 degrees.

If the Face evidence points to tetrahedral Whip 
well that is actually the best grand slam home run you could ask for.

That would align geometrically and exactly with:
the Pentad and Hexad geometries.

Here is my realigned Face attempting to consolidate both EA's and my rectagular line models.
It comes out pure tetrahedral,
with central angle B = 70.52877937  degrees

and
this rectangle has perfect symmetry -- left and right halves of the Face are exact,
and top and bottom halves are exact in linear directional lengths.

[Image: xiAipRW.jpg]


lots of edits hours later
if you read this early on,
reread the new data on the number 2750

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This entire episode with the Face fried my brain.
The labor load of doing the geometries that spin off of geometric grids is a compulsion,
that overtakes my efforts to curtail addiction to mathematic harmonic code manipulation.
I really don't want to do it anymore.
At least it's not drugs,
though I smoke heavy duty weed while staring into the goddam computer screen,
trying to ferret out angle tangents and grid possibilities.

Between the Pyramid thread, and other efforts similar, like the Face geometry,
burn out is a repetive experience,
that can only be reignited by inspiration. 
It seems that I cannot extract myself from the ... obligation.
An addiction that becomes obligatory.


None of you have any idea of what it takes,
to comprehensively and efficiently address the effort it demands to try and do it right.

So I get moody and reactive Scream
when getting too burned out from my own excess in these exercises.
If anyone gets offended by my loss of patience,

tough shit Whip

Rofl

actually that is my sense of humor, and apologies to anyone if I become abrasive.
It isn't personal.
Most of the time.
I get exasperated with people's approaches in these efforts.
With EA, I just want to push him into working harder and more efficiently.
Gotta admit though,
he ends up pushing me back into these efforts ... and I try to resist,
{which is why I get abrasive in some responses -- I lose patience from harmonic code burn out}
and in the long run,
every time,
something excellent emerges from the math investigations his approach stimulates.
So, I realigned the Khafre Pyramid -- phi grids from all this Face work Damned
and prior to this effort,
did not see this great association between the inverse Phi angles,
and 
the Khafre Pyramid side face angle:

Khafre Pyramid --- side face -- 3-4-5 triangle geometry,
angle tangent:
4 / 3 = 1.33333333333333~ ... for 53.13010235 degrees  
but,
if you take that angle ---and subtract it -- from 180 degrees <--- 
you get
126.8698976  degrees
equals
FOUR --- inverse Phi tangent angles --- all side by side !

Just divide 126.8698976  degrees --- by four -- and click -- tangent.

That is ex  Hi cell  Hi ent.

So I end up in a harmonic code marathon here at home,'
because I want to get it done as fast as possible,
and ESCAPE from it all.

Looks like I am going to have to take up golfing again.
The math is easy with golf.

Nonono

Only on the score card.
Thank God I have a new Ping G-400 driver  Reefer

And being a golfer that is happy with a bogey,
thrilled with a par,
and ecstatic in golf heaven with a birdie,
I think that golfing is a better way to desend into old age than too much more of this harmonic code.


Take for instance this -- decimal -- on the 13th hole -- par 6.
This lost ball found in the deep sand trap,
that demanded the proper club selection from 175 yards out.
A phi oriented angle tangent,
right here:

2.550044722

try and figure out that angle tangent  Kickbut
good luck
255 $
if anyone can do it in the next 24 hours <--- Nonono

We now know that the Mars face grid,
has a high statistical chance of --- angle A -- being between 53 and 55 degrees,
isolated,
to what may be a consensus at -- tetrahedral 54.73561032 degrees.

I had hoped in my own bias,
that The Face angle A,
would be the Khafre Side face angle -- 53.13010235 degrees ...
I settled on:
54 degrees pentagonal as angle A,
from process of elimination statistically in my own methods,
but
we appear to have reconverged the data to point --> to the Face --> as being tetrahedral.
 
So in researching geometric grids in the Face,
with the Khafre angle A,
this is what happens:
{relative to burnout and the ball in the sand trap -- angle X <---> in the image diagram}

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[Image: QNPGPbG.jpg]


The above image diagram is not the final copy <----> I added two more lines that subdivide angle c,

from one direction.

each of those letters -- is an angle tangent --

Angle z in the above diagram is errantly defined -- needs a correction -- it is angle tangent -- minus z

This is the par 6 -- 13th hole -- and the Sand Trap is --- angle X -- tangent =  2.550044722

good luck
255$
if anyone can give me the tangent deciphered -- in the next 24 hours <--- Nonono


clueburgers ---  with pickles and onions and extra cheese and mayo and kethchup and ... bacon

angle c {small case letter} has tangent ---> inverse phi.
Note the Apex Angles in the magnificent geometry,
with the four angles c.
angle --- has tangent - Phi.

The par 6 -- 13th hole at the Cydonia Country Club Pro Golf Planetary Championship Tour
exhibits
unique replicating geometry

[Image: CFLQnVa.jpg]


full of pentagons, hexagons, octagons, 12 gons and on and on as it replicated further.
They all have phi and Khafre oriented geometries.

But we have a tetrahedral grid to consider now.
It won't be near as pretty as this one,
but I just extracted the Earth Sidereal Year in the tetrahedral Mars Face,
to within:
4.34 seconds of the modern Earth 21st century data version,
which is as exact as a planetary timeline can get.
That is new data from my work efforts,
so I suppose that all the burn out may have been worth it after all.

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Yes V,
The work you do nailing down the angles and tangents is astonishing. The math has it.

And then comes along the likes of me. Not about to question any of that work you've done, but ask myself when looking at the blasted thing.
"How could the face be so collapsed in places, and yet retain the unmistakable lines that fairly scream intelligent design?"
It's all still there.
If only it were possible to take the area of slide and collapse and move those back into their original position (As far as might be).
I see them returned, almost as though they never fell, still in place.
It's all still there...and I say it's almost perfect. The summitry remains. It's not so much a stretch....to know.
So, the words Autumn and Fall are not to be capitalized?
They are in my world!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said, "See, this is new?"It has been already, in the ages before us. Ecc 1: 9-10
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If we leave the math and lines behind ... why on earth (mars) such structure was built ?

Facing heaven ?

I am sure it has been discussed here , somewhere before and a lot,  but still why ?
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(04-29-2018, 03:08 PM)letosvet Wrote: If we leave the math and lines behind ... why on earth (mars) such structure was built ?

Facing heaven ?

I am sure it has been discussed here , somewhere before and a lot,  but still why ?

I think it was a brag. It was a boast.
But what was the object of the boast?
Man, or beast?

Was it a representation of themselves, or was it one of a certain accomplishment?
That it exists at all is a monument to themselves, but I think it could be the visage of the creation that built all those cities and megalithic constructs. A monument to not only accomplishment, but control.
Humanzee.
So, the words Autumn and Fall are not to be capitalized?
They are in my world!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said, "See, this is new?"It has been already, in the ages before us. Ecc 1: 9-10
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Besides the fact MRO and MEX won't register...

In the quote below I will discuss your opinion on "WHERE" the lines should be drawn in critique.

Quote:Nonetheless  --->  EA presented evidence,
in his rectangle circumscribing the Face {finally after pulling teeth}

Actually I posted demonstrations of skewed ortho- between various cameras to show you MRO is a different "Projected" than ESA.
I believe you are cognizant of that but MRO is your choice for your reasoning. Then I demonstrated it by your request.
It doesn't Jibe with ESA.


and his evidence has to be considered as possible.

All things considered.

So here is what I did last night before reading all this ... this morning.
I attempted to consolidate his design,
and my design together into an average with scrutiny to exactness.

EA's top of the head -- horizontal line is way off -- that is quite easy to see.

It seems that way on MRO because of the lighting...There is an actual demarcation line I will show you in future posts.


I accommodated that by  raising my original line a bit,
to accomodate his excess.

You needed to go a 'titch higher'...you're still off by a bit and I will demonstrate in a future post the "Feature" I use as ~boundary.


His -- east vertical line -- was too a little too far inwards on the Face,
and that can be proved with measures from central symmetry lines <---

This is where we separate ways...Your Eastern Vertical is in what I call a vast grey area and too far east when viewed in grey-scale like Keith's image.


Nonetheless, I took his line on the --- east side,
and used that as evidence,
and redrew my line on the east side <---
about half way between his choice,
and my earlier alignment, 

You need to go west more than you allow.
I will demonstrate in a future post(Besides the fact that it still won't jibe with MRO.)


which does snug it in a little better perhaps,
and creates good symmetry.

I felt that  EA's horizontal chin line on the Face was too far below the actual chin line.
Nonetheless, I took his line under the chin,
and used that as evidence,
and redrew,
my chin line [Image: whip.gif]
closer to his line,
but still snugging perfectly the bottom of the chin.

There is also a feature on the chin quite horizontal I use as demarcation and will demonstrate in future


So what I am saying,
is that I took EA's presented rectangular evidence -- and compromised my own lines,
so that a better rectangle might possibly be drawn,
in an average.

You can draw til the cows come home but it won't jibe using MRO.

That last image is fascinating!

But your east vertical is too far east,the crown is too far south,the chin is too far north and your west lines are the closest thing I can agree ~constitutes the landform/structure.

I will gather up for the post images necessary for my demonstration.

Quote:FSB
"How could the face be so collapsed in places, and yet retain the unmistakable lines that fairly scream intelligent design?"
It's all still there.
If only it were possible to take the area of slide and collapse and move those back into their original position (As far as might be).

Although there is evidence of minor crumbling you forget another reason that may obscure a crisp clean East-side.

Recall:
Neve.

[Image: 042cydonia-TN4.jpg]
A Warm Face
 
Among the scattered mesas in Cydonia is a famous one whose appearance earned it the nickname "The Face." Despite fanciful theories, the mesa is simply a hill about 300 m (1,000 feet) high. Other mesas nearby have generally similar shapes.
 
High-resolution images of The Face, however, reveal its northern and eastern sides have a smooth covering material. Where it occurs on slopes, scientists have dubbed it "pasted-on terrain" because that's just what it looks like. The material likely has the same origin as the mantles of dust-covered snow and ice seen elsewhere.
 
The pasted-on material lies on the sides of The Face that point away from the greatest solar heating, much like the snow that survives into summer lies on the poleward-facing slopes of mountains on Earth. Thus the material may still contain water (as snow or ice) just below the surface. On the warmer sides of this and other mesas, however, the material has eroded away.

http://themis.asu.edu/feature/42

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The Eastern side is obscured by "Pasted-on Material" and therefore the base-line is diffused and blended in with shadowing when lit from the west.

That Never dawned on anyone besides  me? Cry

IMO where Vic lines his east vertical is a snow-job.

Quote:thus the Face would be a tetrahedral construct exactly like the Pentad and Hexad mounds [Image: whip.gif]

All things considered.

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Have you considered it could also be cubic and still be a rubric.

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as a mental exercise in ~19.5

Cubic Rubric???

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Rubric | Definition of Rubric by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rubric
2 : a heading of a part of a book or manuscript done or underlined in a color (such as red) different from the rest. 3 : an established rule, tradition, or custom. 4 : a guide listing specific criteria for grading or scoring academic papers, projects, or tests.

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The one thing I love about this image most.

Quote:though I smoke heavy duty weed while staring into the goddam computer screen,

trying to ferret out angle tangents and grid possibilities.



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I'm not buzzed yet but that's none sum of your beeswax
You can see evidence of internal cellular honeycomb erosion/collapse in that splt/mirrored image.

Recall:

Quote:That made me look at the High-rez of my pipe toke of cush and the Hi-Res of ESA

It looks honeycombed or am I stoned?

If Eye scraped away wax would we see cellular structurals?


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If these are arcologies they are honeycombed if you take a toke or not and look at Vianovas mirroring.
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Quote:EA/ NASA/JPL/ESA  The Eastern side is obscured by "Pasted-on Material" and therefore the base-line is diffused and blended in with shadowing when lit from the west.

That Never dawned on anyone besides  me?

I dawned on me AFTER the Ticky Mikey Malin image of the Ares Faces went from this:

[Image: Properly-Porcessed-AresFace.jpg]
Where there is DEPTH to the face and CLEARLY a RAISED Nostrils  above the level of cheeks. 

To this FILLED in with "pasted material"

[Image: mgs_cydonia3.jpg]

Also since the way each pixel is processed when I was using linux and the PDS Forum for imaging I learned that pixels are also measured for height as well as shading, brightness location all connected with the DATA KERNAL associated with that SINGLE image pass.

What's to STOP MSSS from altering the height of some pixels in the processing so that "pasted material" just pops up and out in the processing method to make the ERADICATION of the HONEST rendition after the SHIT STORM over the "CATBOX"?

It just seems odd that the 1998 'Catbox' was redone HONESTLY and we see a CLEAR face with helmet, eye sockets, eye balls and one tear, nose ridge with two nostrils, below that two lines for lips slightly open, and a real chin.

I still do NOT trust Trickey Mickey Malin NASA/JPL.  As for ESA I am unsure why they would go along with what NASA/JPL DEEP STATE dictate, but then, Europe cannot launch and download the data WITHOUT the Deep Space network.

I will be very interested, and hopefully still alive when Elon Musk's satellite goes in to Mars orbit, and takes an INDEPENDENT new image of the Cydonia area.  After all he IS landing the BFRs at the Cydonia Latitude.  just WEST of the area, far enough away not to damage Cydonia with its pristine aspect while he builds a CITY that is close enough to DRIVE to Cydonia with BOOTS ON THE GROUND way sooner than NASA/JPL.

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