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Hello Everyone... Introducing myself...
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Hello to everyone here, 

Firstly I would like to thank Keith for allowing me to join the forum, much appreciated  Food-smiley-004

Not sure if anyone has seen any of my work over on Gigapan and FlickR - nothing too amazing yet - but there's plenty of time for me to continue learning! I started this journey last August / September time, after finding what looked like a star child skull on Sol 843 in Keith's original gigapan - This was swiftly added to one of Joe over at ArtAlienTV's video's... now I was hooked... 

After a little time wishing I could process and stitch some of the Sol's not covered on Gigapan I stumbled on http://www.whatsupinthesky.com and gigapan / wuits user Todd...  He pointed me towards multispec and off I went...  Admittedly the first 30 - 40 were utter crap... colour / clarity / generally tardy and messy... I posted them up and was determined to get much better or not bother at all..   Next I installed Photoshop and joined the roller coaster of a ride learning about image manipulation and enhancement and one thing led to another to another to another  :) 

Slowly slowly I have built up a portfolio on Gigapan, from MSL to the Dawn Spacecraft around 10 - 11 months on there's around 490 Gigapans' (of ok quality.. I think... ? lol) up there for people to enjoy mooching over. 
  
  http://www.gigapan.com/profiles/glitch_neo/gigapans   https://www.flickr.com/photos/terraform-mars/  

I recently started a Flickr account and started to add my work on there so everyone can download my finished images and do what they want with - I'm more than glad at the responses and encouragement I have had over the last 10 - 11 months, and even trolls aside get a lot of enjoyment from searching / processing and sharing these images.

I was very humbled when Keith asked my opinion on some of his work in progress, I felt as though I really shouldn't have my opinion asked - being a newbie / and not qualified in any field of science or photography, I kinda felt out of place -- I still don't see myself as anything other than a newcomer to the world of space and image processing / much like Pandora's box, once opened its an exponential ride of learning / endless reading / processing! 


All that aside, My real name is Neal , I'm 38 years old, Married with 2 sons (14 and 10) I live in England near Manchester - I work here http://www.peepultree.co.uk 

So that's me....
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#2
How cool is that. An introduction with a name
Thanx and welcome Neal

I am Clay,a Canuck north of USA, Our city(Regina) was named after Victoria.
@ work- I move Arrow  people's possessions.
 
These two articles  I post below should hopefully encourage you to looking for fossils.(fossibles?)




Mars' surface hardened quickly, boosting odds of life: study
June 27, 2018 by Marlowe Hood


[Image: thisimagemon.jpg]
This image montage taken by NASA's Curiosity rover shows the surface of planet Mars, which researchers believe hardened only 20 million years after the birth of the Sun, much earlier than first thought
The crust that encases rocky planets and makes possible the emergence of life took shape on Mars earlier than thought and at least 100 million years sooner than on Earth, researchers said Wednesday.


Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-06-mars-surfa...g.html#jCp




Study suggests branching networks on surface of Mars due to heavy rainfall
June 28, 2018 by Bob Yirka, Phys.org report


[Image: 5b34e07ea7eed.jpg]
Comparison of mean valley branching angles on Mars and arid landscapes on Earth. (A) Outlet locations of the valley networks mapped by Hynek et al. (orange) and Luo and Stepinski (rose color). Background shading indicates elevation. The …more
A trio of researchers with ETH Zurich and the University of Chicago has found evidence that suggests narrow channel networks seen on the surface of Mars are due to heavy rainfall runoff. In their paper published on the open access site Science Advances, Hansjoerg Seybold, Edwin Kite and James Kirchner describe their study of the channel networks and comparisons they made with similar formations found here on Earth.


Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-06-networks-s...y.html#jCp
Along the vines of the Vineyard.
With a forked tongue the snake singsss...
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#3
Hello Neil and welcome.

Also THANK YOU for getting the knowledge and work in putting together Gigapans.

I had asked Keith about doing one for sol 1669 and I saw you had some from sol 2000+

I sent this image to him and also to JPL itself about why there was NO MASTCAM images of this spot:

[Image: NRB_545660377EDR_F0621080NCAM00252M_noted-rock.JPG]

Take a look at that rock with a "note-card" off to the left of the rover that had STOPPED right at this point after a Long Auto-Drive.

Keith has not done a Gigaapan with the Navcams likely because there are NO MAST cams in COLOR according to JPL:

Here is the email response I got in FULL.  I have not had ANY other response despite several attempts.

https://mycommonsenseparty.com//2018-dat...d-rock.JPG

From: Padams, Jordan (398F) <Jordan.H.Padams@jpl.nasa.gov>

Re: Feedback form information

To: rhw007@twcny.rr.com

CC: Boggs, Karen (398N) <karen.boggs@jpl.nasa.gov> ; Verma, Rishi (398M) <Rishi.Verma@jpl.nasa.gov>; Grimes, Kevin M (398F) <kevin.m.grimes@jpl.nasa.gov>; LaVoie, Sue (3980) <slavoie@jpl.nasa.gov>

Hi Robert,

Here is some info from one of the MSL folks. Hope this provides some insight. Unfortunately, we aren't sure, from our perspective, what this could be.

Looks to me like he's referring to:

https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/ms...0252M1.IMG

or

https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/ms...0252M1.IMG

where there is indeed an interesting artifact on a rock which kinda
looks like a playing card stuck there.  It's in both images as well as
their R-eye counterparts so it's real, whatever it is.

I don't see any mastcam imaging of it.

I *think* it's the same rock as we see in 1666:

https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/ms...0299M1.IMG

at ~line 139 samp 670 but I'm not 100% sure.  If so, there is a mastcam
of the same rock:

https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/ms...2_DRXX.IMG

at ~line 281 samp 191 but it's seen from the other side, the "card"
artifact is not visible.

Ahh, it is visible on the *next* drive too, sol 1671:

https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/ms...0254M1.IMG

but alas, no Mastcam.  I believe you can still see it on the *next*
drive, face-on even:

https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/ms...7753M1.IMG

at ~line 276 samp 776.  But also, no Mastcam.

The next drive (sol 1673, drive 1386) you can still see where it should
be but it's just covered by a foreground rock.  Still no Mastcam.  After
that it fades from view as we drive away.

So there are two different locations where it's visible in Navcam, but
it looks like there is no Mastcam coverage.



Thanks,
Jordan

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Jordan Padams
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
626-390-9480


From: Boggs, Karen (398N)
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 1:59 PM
To: Grimes, Kevin M (398F); Padams, Jordan (398F); Alanis, Rafael (398G)
Subject: FW: Feedback form information
 
name: Robert H Williams
email: rhw007@twcny.rr.com
phone: 5182366733
affiliation: Mars Citizen Science
Topic: sol 1669 rock with note atached
comments: https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/ms.../SOL01669/ loook at any of the 3D or 2D black and white images you'll see a rock close to the rover with a WHITE SQUARE 'CARD' attached to it. No ZOOM image, No color image. In fact in subsequent sols Rover moves from this site 62 to 63 so the note CANNOT be seen anymore. It cannot be hidden anymore, where are the COLOR 3D ??? Mickey Malin doing another 1998 'Catbox"?
Referer Page: https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/feedback.html


So Neil as a "new" master of doing Mars and Lunar imaging Gigapans and scanning for Anonymously items that NASA/JPL and ESPECIALLY ANY thing to do with Dr Mikey Malin Camera or his MSSS "team" since 1998 what should we do next with the #2020CydoniaRover ???

Again Welcome to the forum, I look forward to ANY help in learning more image processing myself.

My Main Site:

https://mycommonsenseparty.com/

Bob... Ninja Assimilated
"The Light" - Jefferson Starship-Windows of Heaven Album
I'm an Earthling with a Martian Soul wanting to go Home.   
You have to turn your own lightbulb on. ©stevo25 & rhw007
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#4
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Your "note card" is interesting indeed, and I know what it probably is, geologically.
I am surprised at the extent of the response you got in the email.
They certainly tried to help.
None of the images in blue links in that email would open up for me,
and likely for other people as well.
In particular where he says:

Quote:I *think* it's the same rock as we see in 1666:
https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/ms...0299M1.IMG

and this:

but alas, no Mastcam.  I believe you can still see it on the *next* 

drive, face-on even:


https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/ms...7753M1.IMG
[url=https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/msl/MSLNAV_0XXX/DATA/SOL01666/NLB_545395729EDR_F0620786NCAM00299M1.IMG][/url]

The second link in particular would be nice to see an image of.
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#5
Thanks for the warm welcome folks, And not just a warm welcome of 3 syllables and a smiley face - Some proper "meat on the bones" welcomes! I can't thank you enough! 

Hello Clay, cheers for the articles and links - It's something I have kept an eye out for if only in my peripheral as a side note - 

The internal debate with myself as to "what I'm Seeing" usually ends up with me not being sure enough to start posting images and stating "X,Y & Z"    Cry  

I soon stopped posting images of Jpeg artefacts and other dubious looking things, I took it as a lesson of 'over eagerness' -  an excited almost over active imagination....   

No one would ever take me seriously if i posted junk - or half baked guesss at rough shapes etc....

The guys over on whatsupinthesky.com forum made me realise with their short and to the point answers, no faff no waffle, just an honest reply.. 

I love how the core members over there keep a sceptical openness to there answers - not rude, but to the point. (Unlike me and my waffle.....  as my wife (Alisha) would agree  Gangup )

Hi rhw007

Again cheers for the links and info, I will paw over them all in a min once this replies done and my coffee's brewed! Very much appreciated 

I too am quite amazed at the reply you received from JPL - they were pretty obliging in their response, helpful almost! I have not received anything other than a stock reply to my (looking back ...) mediocre questions ...** ahem Iconahhh1 ...  Neal you plum... **  


I will admit I have been a fly on the wall for a few months here, which is why I gave in and asked Keith about signing up - The members here are varied and vastly knowledgeable in lots if disciplines and areas etc...  I will admit, I am a high school failure, and sometimes the reply or article can be a tad heavy on the physics side or maths etc..  And i have to get an understanding of one process before I can fully appreciate what has been covered or commented on in the original thread / article -  

 I Wish I had realised back then what interests me and sparks my imagination, 20 years ago it was Fast Bikes and Fast women and no forward thinking! DOH!  Thwak Undecided  bloody hindsight eh!? Wonderfully Cruel and mainly proving my parents right - He he he 



Quote:So Neal as a "new" master of doing Mars and Lunar imaging Gigapans and scanning for Anonymously items that NASA/JPL and ESPECIALLY ANY thing to do with Dr Mikey Malin Camera or his MSSS "team" since 1998 what should we do next with the #2020CydoniaRover ???

Again Welcome to the forum, I look forward to ANY help in learning more image processing myself.

My Main Site:

https://mycommonsenseparty.com/

Bob... [Image: ninja.gif] [Image: assimilated.gif]

Woh ... woohh...  I'm No "Master" that is for sure! I don't think I could ever say that - I think it would be rude to Keith, Todd (Gigapan) and Neville-T - If I were to say I was a "Master" in the space imaging / mosaic-ing / Enhancement world...  
 
Now these are the guys setting the 'Bar' with regards to quality and clarity, and really can say they are Masters. 

I have the upmost respect for these guys and thank them for the inspiration and drive they have given me just by producing their own work..  I never imagined posting MSL Gigapans would be possible, let alone the other images I'm trying to get to grips with - "Dawn Spacecraft" "Cassini" etc...  


I have produced a few images that I would say are "Good" ;  the rest are .... well ... "ok"  & some are terrible   ( Now I have come back to view them 3 - 6 months later   LOL  )




Hello also to Vianova - It may not have been a direct "Hello" but i'll take it non the less... 


Neal
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#6
The IMG files can be opened by the FREE SIMPLE NASAVIEW software available for PC and MAC:

https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/software/

There are MANY other FREE imaging software the PDS has for Downloading looking into ALL kinds of data the PDS keeps and is REQUIRED to keep.

Also REQUIRED, but NASA/JPL and ESPECIALLY the Principle SCIENCE Investigators are NOT doing is RELEASING ....

ALL DATA...and I DO MEAN ALL...BY LAW...to the PDS within SIX (6) months of their acquisition !!!

You can see ME making my case to the Looser of the 2016 election here:

http://commonsensecentral.net/csc_2001/h...ts_ccc.htm

But she DID make Tricky Mickey and MSSS release over 76,000 images he was with-holding for more than 26 MONTHS !!!

The SAME still holds true for HiRise, UnCurious-Curiosity and the New Horizens Fly Bye Bye, Ceres Dawn, the list goes on n on n on.

#2020CydoniaRover


S   P   R   E   A    D            I    T           E      V     E     R     Y     W     H     E     R     E  


Bob... Ninja Assimilated
"The Light" - Jefferson Starship-Windows of Heaven Album
I'm an Earthling with a Martian Soul wanting to go Home.   
You have to turn your own lightbulb on. ©stevo25 & rhw007
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(06-30-2018, 12:56 AM)rhw007 Wrote: The IMG files can be opened by the FREE SIMPLE NASAVIEW software available for PC and MAC:

https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/software/

There are MANY other FREE imaging software the PDS has for Downloading looking into ALL kinds of data the PDS keeps and is REQUIRED to keep.

Also REQUIRED, but NASA/JPL and ESPECIALLY the Principle SCIENCE Investigators are NOT doing is RELEASING ....

ALL DATA...and I DO MEAN ALL...BY LAW...to the PDS within SIX (6) months of their acquisition !!!

You can see ME making my case to the Looser of the 2016 election here:

http://commonsensecentral.net/csc_2001/h...ts_ccc.htm

But she DID make Tricky Mickey and MSSS release over 76,000 images he was with-holding for more than 26 MONTHS !!!

The SAME still holds true for HiRise, UnCurious-Curiosity and the New Horizens Fly Bye Bye, Ceres Dawn, the list goes on n on n on.

#2020CydoniaRover


S   P   R   E   A    D            I    T           E      V     E     R     Y     W     H     E     R     E  


Bob... Ninja Assimilated


Cheers! A little pressed for time - I'll pop back later, and have a proper mooch / reply etc lol 


The Mrs "Jobs List" is lingering, and I'm getting "the LOOK"  Naughty PC is outta bounds .....
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#8
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Nice to see that you are enjoying being here Terraform Mars.

Bob your notecard is an unusually long lasting section of thin depositional vein material,
still adhering to the side of the broken up strata block.
The thin deposits were water borne and surged through the strata cracks and separations,
while that strata was buried,
depositing a mineral therein.
You can see white lines in the flat surface just in front of the rover.
Those are all a thin vertical fill in of depositional mineral from water infiltration,
when the strata was buried and partially broken or buckled from stress fracturing.
Strata gets exposed slowly but surely, later on,
strata breaks apart into those blocky sections or fragmentations,
... and that "notecard" was an exceptionally thick vein,
which did not succumb to erosional processes after the strata was exposed above surface.
It is an exceptional example.

It would be easier Bob,
if you just took the time to copy the image, and just post the actual image that was linked.
People aren't going to take the time to process the NASA method to open the images.
Neither am I.


Quote:but alas, no Mastcam.  I believe you can still see it on the *next* 
drive, face-on even:
https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/ms...7753M1.IMG



edit
PS
that geologic description I posted of Bob's "notecard"
is vintage NASA geology.
The fellow that responded to Bob was quite forthcoming,
but was not NASA planetary geology trained.
That does not mean that the NASA geology explanation is completely correct,
though it does have some distinct precedence with Earth examples.
But the material is definitely a remnant adhering layer of something,
that was later exposed.
You can still see a tiny knob of the dark material still adhering on the face front of the white material.
"Notecard" was probably a poor choice,
of descriptive analogy. 
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#9
:) who do you think pointed Todd and Will and them towards MultiSpec Neal?


I learned long ago, anyone can look at and work with the browse data..
It takes a hero to learn to use the real satellite imagery.

and there IS a difference.
big time.


Welcome to The Hidden Mission Neal.
On a satellite I ride. Nothing down below can hide.
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#10
16    May your insights be deep, your analysis clean and your sharing honest.   Welcome Neal !   Hi
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#11
Morning everyone, or Crack of Dawn even;  for me... Especially on a Sunday, I'm not a fan of my Sunday Shift(s)  it's 4.03 a.m GMT  Sick  Coffee2  Coffee  

Gives me a couple of hours to finish a few MSL Image Sets ordered / Downloaded / Processed ready to Adjust later...  The Wife, Alisha now calls this "Clicking Time" although 6 Months ago she thought I was trying to find a Woman online, or get myself a Russian Shot putting man bullying bride... She really didn't believe I would get up just to "Look at Pictures of 'Rock's" or Super exposed Moon Images etc  Cry  After spending a while trying to catch me up to something: I think she was quite relieved to see it wan't testosterone coursing through me like a teenager in heat! LOL  Naughty   

Gone are the days of thinking I'm 20 and a bronzed Adonis,   chicks only liked the bike leathers and 'Italian plastic 2 wheeled death machine'  back then for sure...    


So Keith, we all have you to thank for the info too - This Is one thing I liked about WUITS.com and Here - Open and honest; much like the Linux Community, opensource/openshares attitude, we all learn more together I was told on many occasion while I was learning how to root / slim down / compile some android stuff a years ago. It was a really really good melting pot of ideas on some of the Irc messenger / group chats etc.. 

I Ended up contributing a little dev / code reading / proofing and beta testing for http://www.techknow.me and its owner HcH - 

It culminated in a free adb root software with loads of factory differing tweaks tricks and brute jailbreaks lol ...  "The Uberizer" was only one of HcH's many great bits of coding, but after a year of rude forum users, people expecting hour after hour of (unpaid) work for nothing other than more work and rude users - All because their $4 tablet boot looped - we all got a bit fed up to be honest, and I personally felt more and more out of my water.... So I kinda ducked out feeling like I was riding on some one elses hard work - 

Its also one of the reasons I have not spread myself all over other peoples Gigapans, links to my stuff, begging people to "Follow" me etc.. I thought It would be better to learn and post my images publicly, but focus on the PDS side / Enhancement / Software - and let the public be my critique 



 I still feel bad  about shameless self promoting - I commented on a couple of Videos "Mars Anomalies & Beyond" (YouTube) Had done, that actually used my  own  Gigapan(s) and didnt want to start shamelessly spouting off about talent I aint' got. I'm hoping it's actually done some good, I decided I'm here for the long run, not a 3 month fad -- Between a core of space resources, documentaries, lectures, images and research I have sat and done just on background I know it's now not a fad, more an obsession! 

40 mins gone,   right less talking ****  Mr Neal & get some work done!  LilD


Enjoy your Day everyone, 

Thanks for all the welcomes, sorry for the essay above - I'm trying to give everyone a bit of insight into my real personality, as daft / stupid / annoying / you may find me -   [Delete as appropriate! ] he he he   

Right Coffee / Shower / PDS node / work......
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