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Where is Atlantis?
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The Toothpick was invented before cooking crockery and the boat before the mooring dock you see? Cry

Quote:"Was it systematic? Was it only at certain particular moments?" she asks. "I don't know how to interpret the reason behind this cannibalism. It can be purely food, but it can also be symbolic ... The reason remains open," she says.


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The caves that prove Neanderthals were cannibals
December 30, 2016

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Reconstruction of Neanderthal man. Credit: public domain
Deep in the caves of Goyet in Belgium researchers have found the grisly evidence that the Neanderthals did not just feast on horses or reindeer, but also on each other.


Human bones from a newborn, a child and four adults or teenagers who lived around 40,000 years ago show clear signs of cutting and of fractures to extract the marrow within, they say.
"It is irrefutable, cannibalism was practised here," says Belgian archaeologist Christian Casseyas as he looks inside a cave halfway up a valley in this site in the Ardennes forest.
The bones in Goyet date from when Neanderthals were nearing the end of their time on earth before being replaced by Homo sapiens, with whom they also interbred.
Once regarded as primitive cavemen driven to extinction by smarter modern humans, studies have found that Neanderthals were actually sophisticated beings who took care of the bodies of the deceased and held burial rituals.
But there is a growing body of proof that they also ate their dead.
Neanderthal bone fragments
Cases of Neanderthal cannibalism have been found until now only in Neanderthal populations in southern Europe in Spain, at El Sidron and Zafarraya, and in France, at Moula-Guercy and Les Pradelles.
The caves at Goyet have been occupied since the Paleolithic era. The 250-metre- (820-feet-) long galleries were dug into the limestone by the Samson, a small stream that still flows a few metres below.
They began to reveal their secrets in the middle of the 19th century thanks to one of the fathers of palaeontology, Edouard Dupont (1841-1911).
A geologist and director of the Royal Museum of Natural History of Belgium, he searched several caves, including that of Goyet in 1867, and collected an enormous quantity of bones and tools.
Just a few years after Charles Darwin first expounded his theory of evolution, Dupont published the results of his own research in his book "Man During the Stone Age".
But his discoveries remained in the archives of the museum (now called the Brussels Institute of Natural Sciences) for more than a century.
That was until 2004, when the institute's head of anthropology Patrick Semal discovered, hidden in amongst the drawers of what Dupont thought were human bones, a jaw tip that clearly belonged to a Neanderthal.
Scientists have since been painstakingly sorting through fragments that Dupont thought were animal bones to see if there are other traces of ancient man.
'Extract the marrow'
Now an international team led by Helene Rougier, an anthropologist at California State University Northridge in the United States, has proved from the bones found at Goyet that the Neanderthals there were cannibals.
The bones show traces of cutting, "to disarticulate and remove the flesh," said Christian Casseyas, who also leads tours for the public at the caves.
The Neanderthals "broke these bones in the same way that they broke those of the reindeer and horses found at the entrance of the cave, certainly to extract the marrow", he adds.
Rougier, whose work on the Belgian cave was published last July by Scientific Reports, a journal of the Nature group, told AFP that "indeed, we can conclude that some Neanderthals died and were eaten here", which is a first in Northern Europe.
"Some of these bones have also been used to make tools to touch up the edges of flints to re-sharpen them," says Rougier.
But the reasons for the cannibalism remain a mystery, as to the extent to which the Neanderthals ate their dead.
"Was it systematic? Was it only at certain particular moments?" she asks. "I don't know how to interpret the reason behind this cannibalism. It can be purely food, but it can also be symbolic ... The reason remains open," she says.
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3 out of 4 crewmembers will survive the trip by boat or by spaceship.

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Quote:the Minoan palace and the Minoans were also considered to be the sons and daughters of Atlantis by the ancients. This civilization is widely acclaimed as the birthplace for all western civilization and,  when the mainland Greeks came out of the Stone Age, the Minoans managed a maritime empire across the entire Mediterranean basin and beyond. When Rome was not even so much as an idea, Minoans built the first paved roads.


Europe’s oldest city Minoan civilization capital Knossos reveals even more priceless treasures
TornosNews.gr 25.12.2016 | 13:52
[Image: Knossos___North_Portico_02_160451597.jpg]The greatness of Knossos grows as new evidence suggests that an ancient Aegean city not only recovered but also flourished following the collapse of the Bronze Age
The latest discoveries on Crete at the site of the ancient city of Knossos suggest that the capital of Minoan Civilization was far larger and more impacting than experts believed.
Scientists already knew that Knossos was Europe’s oldest city and ruled over the massive trade empire during the Bronze age, nevertheless, new evidence suggests that the Minoans may have actually survived into the Iron Age.
Europe’s oldest city, the majestic site of the Greek Bronze Age, was the seat of power of the mythological King Minos and the home of the enigmatic labyrinth. Also linked to far reaching legends like Daedalus and son Icarus, the Minoan palace and the Minoans were also considered to be the sons and daughters of Atlantis by the ancients. This civilization is widely acclaimed as the birthplace for all western civilization and,  when the mainland Greeks came out of the Stone Age, the Minoans managed a maritime empire across the entire Mediterranean basin and beyond. When Rome was not even so much as an idea, Minoans built the first paved roads.
Even though the ancient city was previously thought to have perished around1200 B.C. after the volcanic eruption of Thera on Santorini, new artifacts discovered by a team led by a University of Cincinnati assistant professor of classics, Antonis Kotsonas, suggest that it was much larger and richer than was previously thought. 
According to a press release on Kotsonas’ work, "recent fieldwork at the ancient city of Knossos on the Greek island of Crete finds that during the early Iron Age (1100 to 600 BC), the city was rich in imports and was nearly three times larger than what was believed from earlier excavations. 
San Francisco meeting
The discovery suggests that not only did this spectacular site in the Greek Bronze Age (between 3500 and 1100 BC) recover from the collapse of the socio-political system around 1200 BC, but also rapidly grew and thrived as a cosmopolitan hub of the Aegean and Mediterranean regions. Antonis Kotsonas, a University of Cincinnati assistant professor of classics, will highlight his field research with the Knossos Urban Landscape Project at the 117th annual meeting of theArchaeological Institute of America and Society for Classical Studies. The meeting takes place Jan. 7-10 in San Francisco.
The Knossos Urban Landscape Project over the past decade has recovered a large collection of ceramics and artifacts dating back to the Iron Age. The relics were spread over an extensive area that was previously unexplored. Kotsonas says that this exploration revealed considerable growth in the size of the settlement during the early Iron Age and also growth in the quantity and quality of its imports coming from mainland Greece, Cyprus, the Near East, Egypt, Italy, Sardinia and the western Mediterranean.
“No other site in the Aegean period has such a range of imports,” Kotsonas says. The imports include bronze and other metals – jewelry and adornments, as well as pottery. He adds that the majority of the materials, recovered from tombs, provide a glimpse of the wealth in the community, because status symbols were buried with the dead during this period. 
The antiquities were collected from fields covering the remains of dwellings and cemeteries. “Distinguishing between domestic and burial contexts is essential for determining the size of the settlement and understanding the demographic, socio-political and economic development of the local community,” explains Kotsonas. “Even at this early stage in detailed analysis, it appears that this was a nucleated, rather densely occupied settlement extending over the core of the Knossos valley, from at least the east slopes of the acropolis hill on the west to the Kairatos River, and from the Vlychia stream on the south until roughly midway between the Minoan palace and the Kephala hill.”
Research partnership 
Kotsonas’ Jan. 9 presentation is part of a colloquium themed, “Long-Term Urban Dynamics at Knossos: The Knossos Urban Landscape Project, 2005-2015.” Kotsonas serves as a consultant on the project, which is dedicated to intensively surveying the Knossos valley and documenting the development of the site from 7000 BC, to the early 20th century. The project is a research partnership between the Greek Archaeological Service and the British School at Athens. Kotsonas has served as a collaborator on the project since 2009
Funding for the University of Cincinatti research was supported by the UC Department of Classics Louise Taft Semple Fund
Kotsonas underlines that because the site also is a popular tourist attraction, there is a strong interest in development around the site. The Knossos Urban Landscape Project works to inform the community about the importance of preserving the area that has history yet to be uncovered, history that could be lost if future development destroyed unexplored parts of the site.
The AIA and SCS Joint Annual Meeting brings together professional and vocational archaeologists and classicists from around the world to share the latest developments from the field. The conference is the largest and oldest established meeting of classical scholars and archaeologists in North America.
UC’s Classics Department in the McMicken College of Arts and Sciences is one of the most active centers for the study of the Greek and Roman Antiquity in the United States. UC excavations have been led at two Bronze Age palatial centers, Knossos in Crete, and Pylos in the Peloponnese, a site first discovered by UC archaeologist Carl W. Blegen in 1939. 

http://www.tornosnews.gr/en/greek-news/2...sures.html


Knossos, the Capital of Minoan Civilization Still Has More Treasures to Reveal
By
 Kerry Kolasa-Sikiaridi

Dec 25, 2016
[img=790x0]http://greece.greekreporter.com/files/1-9.jpg[/img]The newest discoveries on Crete at the site of the ancient city of Knossos suggest that the capital of the Minoan Civilizationwas much more influential and larger than previously thought.
Archeologists already knew that Knossos was Europe’s oldest city and ruled over the massive trade empire during the Bronze age, however, new evidence suggests that the Minoans may have actually survived into the Iron Age.
[img=736x0]http://greece.greekreporter.com/files/1-11.jpg[/img]Previously thought to have perished around 1200 B.C. after the volcanic eruption of Thera on Santorini, new artifacts discovered by a team led by a University of Cincinnati assistant professor of classics, Antonis Kotsonas, suggests otherwise.
[img=640x0]http://greece.greekreporter.com/files/1-12-1024x678.jpg[/img]Nearby burial sites that have recently been excavated revealed that the Minoans were still in the trading business in the region long after 1200 B.C. and that the actual area of Knossos may have been much bigger than originally thought due to the new discoveries.
“Even at this early stage in detailed analysis, it appears that this was a nucleated, rather densely occupied settlement extending over the core of the Knossos valley, from at least the east slopes of the acropolis hill on the west to the Kairatos River, and from the Vlychia stream on the south until roughly midway between the Minoan palace and the Kephala hill,” Dr. Kotsonas said, according to argophilia.com.

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That is really interesting about the Minoans having a much larger and richer society,
than previously predicted.
The more they excavate very ancient important ruins and important ancient cities,
the new evidence invariably shows that these ancient cultures,
are always larger, more sophisticated, and far more artistic,
and more capable of their own science and math,
than western science has permitted to be taught.

This happened with the recent discoveries of the very early Mayan Murals, 
in which the art therein far exceded what western science said the early Mayans were capable of. 
The 26 ton stele found under the Huastec civilzation site,
500 miles north of Mexico City
turned out to be Olmec,
where previous science said the Olmec were never that far north.

Only 5% of the Olmec civilization has been unearthed.
That is where all the evidences we have ever wanted about Atlantis,
and ancient alien visitation,
and global ancient civilization, with seafaring cross oceanic migrations for the past 25000 years will be found.
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Dead Sea Scrolls With Never-Before-Seen Language Discovered

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Published on Feb 3, 2017

View definitive scientific proof that Atlantis was real and that it has been located by Stan Deyo. Over 1,400 stone artifacts, circle formations and the ancient orichalcum mine have been located.

The world needs to know this. In a way, Atlantis is rising again in the global political community. You will be astounded at the prince who is in charge of Atlantis today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-TFIcwe...215.688537
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Easier to review who the author is first sometimes, rather than watch the video.

This guy believes that the Earth started "expanding" 6000 years ago, 
and tosses out continental drift.

his quote

Quote:The ridges in the sea beds show where India used to be connected to North Africa - 
less than 5,000 years ago in my opinion.


He also claims to have found the Garden of Eden.
He has UFO's in the mix as well as being a prophet.
I refuse to watch the video,
but I am glad that now I know to avoid this ... prophet.
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That was a pretty sad video,

The Nat Geo video below may actually have a new counterpart also found in spain: A Bell/Beaker Earthwork?
Quote:The complex of concentric rings may have been used for holding rituals; such earthwork enclosures have previously only been found in the northern half of Europe.



WAS LOST CITY OF ATLANTIS FOUND IN SPANISH MARSH?
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Connecticut:  Richard Freund and his research team may have found the legendary island-city of Atlantis under a vast Spanish marsh.  Atlantis was described by Plato in 360 B.C. as having "in a single day and night ... disappeared into the depths of the sea."
They believe the city may be found in a vast Spanish marsh that dries out one month a year.
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 Ancient standing stone marking
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Drawing of Plato's Description of Atlantis
Freund's team used modern technology and old-fashioned reasoning to search for Atlantis. They started in 2008 with a satellite photo that appeared to be a submerged city in Spain's Dona Ana Park.
For the next two years, Spanish archaeologists and geologists worked with the team to explore beneath the mud flats by using radar images.  One radar image appeared very similar to Plato's 2,300 year old description of Atlantis.
"We found something that no one else has ever seen before, which gives it a layer of credibility, especially for archaeology, that makes a lot more sense," Fruend said.
Other evidence comes from ancient wood dating back to 440 B.C. A core sample shows a layer of methane which indicates that many living things all died at once.

"Finding this one layer of methane is a very telltale sign of a society that is destroyed in one fell swoop," he says. "This was in the middle of nowhere, and there was no methane layer found in the area except where we were working."

Adding to the Spain/Atlantis evidence: over 100 ancient Spanish cities built in Atlantis's image. Freund suggests these memorial cities were built by refugees as a tribute to their lost home.
The Spain/Atlantis theory was clinched by a nearby museum display of ancient standing stones taken from the area.  
In archaeology, "you follow the stones,"  Freund said.  "Certain types of stones give you clues about where certain types of things came from."
Carved on each museum stone is a symbol similar to Plato's drawing of Atlantis.
Previous searches for Atlantis focused on the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian oceans and the Mediterranean Sea.
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Plato described Atlantis as alternating rings of sea and land, with a palace in the center 'bull's eye'.
Many have claimed to "find" the lost city:  Russian scientists pinpointed a ruined town in the Black Sea; an American found man-made walls a mile deep in the Mediterranean; and Swedish researchers found it in the North Sea.

Even Google Earth users found Atlantis through lines resembling a city street grid off Africa's coast. Google explained, however, that the lines were actually left by a boat collecting data.

More excavations will take place at the Spanish site. Freund agrees his current findings won't end to the Atlantis debate.

"It's never like finding the Titanic. It's never like finding Tutankhamun's tomb. That's the way, in the best of all circumstances, that you find something intact," Freund
said.

Fruend and his team's efforts were featured last month on a National Geographic TV special called  "Finding Atlantis."








First??? Bell Beaker earthwork enclosure 
found in Spain
Posted on August 11, 2016

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The newly discovered circular earthwork enclosure La Loma del Real Tesoro II (near Carmona). Image: SFB 1070 RessourcenKulturen, Javier Escudero Carrillo and Helmut Becker


Archaeologists from the Tübingen collaborative research center ResourceCultures have discovered an earthwork enclosure in southern Spain dating from the Bell Beaker period of 2,600 to 2,200 BCE. The complex of concentric rings may have been used for holding rituals; such earthwork enclosures have previously only been found in the northern half of Europe.
In a ResourceCultures field study, researchers sought information on how the inhabitants of southern Spain dealt with their region’s resources during the Copper Age and what effects that had on society, trade relations and migration in the area. Archaeologists have known since the middle of the nineteenth century that today’s Valencina de la Concepción outside Seville was at the heart of an important Copper Age settlement. In 1860, the Dolmen de la Pastora – a long megalith tomb – was first identified; it was described by archaeologists in 1868. It was the region’s first big find from the Copper Age or Chalcolithic, which preceded the Bronze Age.
Far away trade
The nearby settlement of Valencina was supported by farming and stockraising on the fertile coastal plain. It is Spain’s largest known Copper Age settlement – of over 400 hectares. Grave goods found at the site show that the people of Valencina traded with Copper Age cultures far away: items include exotic luxury wares such as elephant tusks from Africa and the Middle East, and amber beads from northern Europe.
In return, it is likely they traded copper ore from the mountains behind Valencina. It is uncertain to what extent the city traded with areas further inland and exactly where trade routes and migrations ran. Tübingen archaeologists headed by Professor Martin Bartelheim plan to carry out fieldwork which will shed light on these little-researched issues.
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Copper Age pottery sherds. Image: SFB 1070 RessourcenKulturen, Javier Escudero Carrillo and Elisabet Conlin

The archaeologists discovered the earthwork enclosure some 50 kilometres east of Valencina. Surveying the land in August 2015, they found circular earthworks enclosing about six hectares. Excavations at the site yielded bones, sherds and jewellery; radiocarbon dating and comparative analysis confirmed the site was used during the Bell Beaker Culture (2,600 to 2,200 BCE). The Bell Beaker Culture is named after the characteristic shape of the vessels it produced.
Mystery site
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Burn marks on a large clay brick found at the botton of the circular enclosure – a cult site? Image: SFB 1070 RessourcenKulturen, Javier Escudero Carrillo and Elisabet Conlin

Just what the site was used for is still a mystery. It consists of several circular trenches with entrance-like openings at regular intervals. In the center was a deep, circular hole some 19 meters wide. In it, the archaeologists found large clay bricks with burn marks on it which may have served a ritual purpose. But they did not find human remains or indications of continuous settlement after the Copper Age – suggesting the site was used intensively for a relatively short period.
Doctoral candidate in the CultureResources group, Javier Escudero Carrillo, says “the structure is very unusual for Spain, other circular earthworks like this are only found north of the Alps; but most are more than a thousand years older than this site. The stoney ground here is not good for farming, but the site is strategically located near an ancient fort on the Guadalquivir River near the ore-rich Sierra Morena mountains, where copper and other valuable minerals were mined. Trails link the site with the fertile plain of Carmona, so that we may assume it was used by many passing through. That fits well with the interpretation of a site used for religious purposes.
Further studies will seek to discover how the site fitted into the region’s Copper Age infrastructure. Stone tools such as grinding stones and axe heads found at the site will be analyzed to discover how far away the material came from and how the tools were worked. Further information will be gathered from analyses of sediment and pollen as well as the isotopic analyses of animal bone samples, which will give clues as to the diet and lifestyle of the site’s inhabitants more than four thousand years ago.

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Was atlantis a re-purposed abandoned bell-beaker type earthwork that was at one time Dry and then only half-submerged in water During Atlantian Days giving it the appearence of a Ringed Island???
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All the Atlanteans need to do was Plop a couple of Temples on the already existing abandoned earthwork and you have a VENICE type water-world/city.
First Bell Beaker earthwork enclosure found in Spain may actually be the Second???

Quote:On Sunday, the National Geographic Channel aired a documentary calledFinding Atlantis, which will be shown in Canada on March 27 on the Discovery Channel.
It chronicles the work of a team led by University of Hartford archaeologist Richard Freund, who believes he has found the mythical advanced society of antiquity in the muddy sediment of a Spanish marsh.
The lost city of Atlantis, according to the writing of Plato, was located on an island just past the Pillars of Hercules, known today as the Strait of Gibraltar, and was wiped out when an earthquake triggered a powerful wall of water that submerged it forever.
"It just so happens that just past the Straits of Gibraltar, there is a 250-square-kilometre marsh that was inundated by a tsunami in antiquity," said Dr. Freund on Monday. "In light of what we've seen in Japan, you really can understand how the power of a tsunami could wipe a place off the face of the Earth."
In September, 2009, Dr. Freund and his team arrived in the Marisma de Hinojos marsh in southern Spain, part of the Coto Doñana National Park, to investigate aerial photographs that showed a geographic anomaly beneath the marsh.
The mud flats are dry for just two months a year and closed to the public, but the satellite imagery had revealed a circular area in the center of the marsh, and German archeologist Werner Wickboldt has hypothesized that other visible structures resemble those Plato describes in his writings on Atlantis.
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I saw the documentary and seems very promising the problem the archaeologists mentioned was that the water table was high in that area and would make excavations very difficult and expensive. MUCHA MOOOLA NEEDED
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Feb 28, 2017 08:30 AM ET

Fabled 'Atlantis Alloy' Recovered in Greater Numbers From Ancient Shipwreck  Holycowsmile
The newly found ingots of orichalcum come in addition to a cache of bars that were originally recovered in 2015 from the same shipwreck, making up a unique stockpile.
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More ingots of orichalcum, the ancient metal that was purported to be mined at the mythical island of Atlantis, have emerged from the seas of Sicily.
Underwater archaeologists who have been investigating the remains of a ship that sunk 2,600 years ago off the coast of Gela in southern Sicily recovered 47 lumps of the precious alloy earlier this month, along with a jar and two Corinthian helmets.
The newly found ingots come in addition to the 39 orichalcum lumps that were originally recovered in 2015 from the same shipwreck.
"The ship dates to the end the sixth century B.C.," said Sebastiano Tusa, an archaeologist who serves as Sicily's superintendent of the sea. "It was likely caught in a sudden storm and sunk just when it was about to enter the port."

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Indeed, the wreck was found about 1,000 feet from Gela's coast at a depth of 10 feet.
The same area contains other two archaic shipwrecks.
"The waters there are a priceless mine of archaeological finds," remarked Adriana Fresina, an archaeologist who works with Tusa.
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The 86 ingots found on the sea floor make up a unique stockpile.
Never before discovered in any great quantities, orichalcum has long been considered a mysterious metal, with its composition and origin widely debated.
According to Greek mythology, it was invented by Cadmus, the Phoenician founder and first king of Thebes.
Although orichalcum is mentioned in several ancient writings going back to Hesiod, it was the fourth century B.C. Greek philosopher Plato who made it legendary.
In Plato's Critias dialogue, the Athenian figure Critias claims that orichalcum was mined in the mythical Atlantis and was used to cover Poseidon's temple interior walls, columns, and floors. It was shiny, and Critias suggested that its preciousness was surpassed only by gold.
The metal was so esteemed that in the temple itself stood an orichalcum pillar onto which Poseidon's laws were inscribed, according to the tale.
"The outermost wall was coated with brass, the second with tin, and the third, which was the wall of the citadel, flashed with the red light of orichalcum," Plato wrote.
Most scholars today agree that orichalcum, though rare, is far from being as precious as Plato's writing would suggest. It is a brass-like alloy, which was made in antiquity by cementation — a process achieved with the reaction of zinc ore, charcoal and copper metal in a crucible.
RELATED: 1,800-Year-Old Shipwreck Found Almost Completely Intact Off Spanish Coast
X-ray fluorescence undertaken by the scientific instrumentation company TQ Technologies for Quality indicated that the recovered ingots are an alloy made with 75 to 80 percent copper, 15 to 20 percent zinc, and small percentages of nickel, lead, and iron.
The ship that carried them was traveling from Greece or Asia Minor to Gela, a wealthy city with an abundance of artisan workshops that specialized in the production of prized artifacts.
The orichalcum ingots were headed for those workshops. There, they would have been used to fashion adornments and decorations.
The recovery of two Corinthian bronze helmets is also noteworthy.
"The presence of helmets and weapons aboard ships is rather common," Tusa said. "They were used against pirate incursions."
"Another hypothesis is that they were meant to be an offer to the gods," he added.
Tusa team is still working to fully excavate the shipwreck and recover its cargo.

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Lost City of Atlantis Has Been Found – And it’s Connected to Jewish Temple in Most Incredible Way
By Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz February 2, 2017 , 1:30 pm

Quote:“Tarshish was thy merchant by reason of the multitude of all kinds of riches; with silver iron tin and lead they traded for thy wares.” Ezekiel 27:12 (The Israel Bible™)

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The lost city of Atlantis has been found, and it’s straight out of the Bible – at least according to a stunning new National Geographic documentary which follows a high-tech, wide-ranging search for the mythical city with incredible results.

The documentary, Atlantis Rising, released last Sunday, features Oscar-winning Titanic director James Cameron and Emmy-winning journalist Simcha Jacobovici following ancient clues through Greece, the Mediterranean, and the Atlantic on a search for Atlantis, a mythical city that allegedly sunk into the sea thousands of years ago. Along the way, they discover mind-blowing Biblical connections to Atlantis, including a 3,000 year old carving that ties the mythical city to the Jewish Temple


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George Diaz-Montexano (left) and Simcha Jacobovici in “Atlantis Rising”. (Facebook of George Diaz-Montexano)


“So often, when you tell people you are looking for Atlantis, they think it is a crazy project because they think it is a thing that was made up by Disney or Hollywood, a city full of mermaids,” Jacobovici told Breaking Israel News in an exclusive interview. Even he was astonished at what they found.

Jacobovici, who describes his recent projects as “investigative archaeology”, admitted that sources are scarce. The only ancient source for Atlantis was the Greek philosopher Plato in the 4th century BCE. In his dialogues, Plato wrote about a traveller, Solon, who learned about a highly advanced, wealthy civilization, described in depth. It was a port city located “past the ‘Pillars of Hercules’”, which Jacobovici explained is known today as the Straits of Gibraltar.

In Plato’s account, Solon describes the destruction of Atlantis by a natural disaster which covered the coastal city with mud and water. According to the story, the city sank into the ground and disappeared. Jacobovici equated this to a tsunami.

“Many people may think this is a fictitious account, but Plato went into a lot of detail,” Jacobovici argued. “More problematic is that no other historical or archaeological source discusses a city named Atlantis.” He pointed out, however, that the Greeks had a habit of renaming people and places.

The team set out to find a city that fit the description of Atlantis. The search eventually led them to the Iberian Peninsula, where they began to make a connection between Atlantis and an ancient city known as Tartessoswhich appears,amazingly, in the Bible. Holycowsmile


“There are many artifacts and ancient writings that show that 3,000 years ago there was a great city of Tartessos, very wealthy and with a powerful navy,”Jacobovici described. “Though we don’t know exactly where it was, it was purported to be somewhere in Southern Iberia, Spain or Portugal, precisely the area that Plato gives for Atlantis.”
The research led Jacobovici to believe there is a link between Plato’s fabled city of Atlantis, which he believes is Tartessos, and the oft-mentioned Biblical city of Tarshish, citing an unmistakably Atlantis-like reference in Psalms.

Quote:For, lo, the kings assembled themselves, they came onward together..Trembling took hold of them there, pangs, as of a woman in travail…With the east wind Thou breakest the ships of Tarshish. Psalms 48:5-8

The Bible speaks many times about a city called Tarshish. King Solomon fought naval battles with the wealthy city, an ally of Israel.

Quote:The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall render tribute. Psalms 72:10

Tarshish is also mentioned as the city that Jonah chose to flee to rather than go to evil Nineveh.

Quote:But Yonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of [i]Hashem; and he went down to Joppa and found a ship going to Tarshish; so he paid the fare thereof and went down into it to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of HashemJonah 1:3[/i]

In Tarshish, “Jonah encountered a fierce storm,” noted Jacobovici. “This is very characteristic of the area around the Straits of Gibraltar.”

The fact that the city of Tarshish is mentioned throughout the Bible seems to contradict a connection with an Atlantis that was destroyed well before Plato’s account. Jacobovici had an explanation.

“I think there were several stages in the destruction of Tarshish,” he said. “One was during the Exodus, and the final one was after King Solomon.”
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The mysterious carving. (Facebook of George Diaz-Montexano)

Perhaps the most shocking revelation came when Jacobovici interviewed Spanish researcher Georgeos Diaz Montexano.

“He showed me Bronze Age symbols, 3,500 years old, carved into ancient shrines,” Jacobovici told Breaking Israel News. “Montexano believes that after the tsunami destroyed Atlantis, or Tarshish, the refugees made these shrines to commemorate the destruction of their city and to pray to their gods that Atlantis should rise again.”

The symbols carved into the walls had distinct design resembling a bull’s eye standing on a stick with three legs. The ancient stone carvings in the Spanish shrines are strongly reminiscent of Plato’s description of the port of Atlantis: three concentric circular docks with a central rectangular temple to Poseidon, with a canal connecting out to the sea.
“The symbol carved into the walls in Spain was an aerial view of the port Plato described, but with the canal depicted as Poseidon’s three-pronged trident,” Jacobovici explained.

Then Montexano showed him something even more remarkable. “In one of these of these shrines in Spain, the 3,000 year old carving is missing the top half of the bull’s eye. Montexano theorized that this symbolizes the refugees were praying for a restored Atlantis.
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Symbol of the Temple Menorah (Photo: Eilat Mazar/City of David Foundation)



“But that symbol, as everyone knows, is the Menorah in the Jewish Temple,” said Jacobovici.

Jacobovici relates Montexano’s theory for the remarkable similarity between the ancient symbol found in Spain and the Jewish Temple.

“Montexan believes that when God told the Jews to make the Menorah, he gave them a symbol they already understood, already recognized from the Atlanteans.”

Read more at https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/83028...7BDBR23.99






The Etruscans, Phoenicians, and Tartessos
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...And then we come to Tartessos, in Spain, which is a virtually unknown civilisation. Barry Cunliffe has been going on about it for some time, so I thought I had better investigate (always follow what Barry is doing!). Tartessos sprang up along the River Guadalquivir where there are great deposits of copper and silver – it is known as the Rio Tinto, the red river. A great civilization sprang up called Tartessos, which exported the valuable metals through Phoenician trading stations along the coast, and everyone grew rich on the trade. But then the Assyrians were conquered by the Medes and Persians. The Medes were not interested in silver, so the trade collapsed and so did Tartessos. It is only recently that archaeology has resurrected this lost civilisation, and I have heard great fun in tracking down some of the latest Spanish discoveries.

https://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/f...tessos.htm
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Archaeologists Uncover Vast Ancient Roman Mining Operation in Spain
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but built elaborate ventilated underground galleries, going deeper than had been thought possible at the time.

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A Roman altar dedicated to Mercury stands in the entrance street to the Forum in Munigua, Spain. Íñigo López de Audícana

Archaeologists excavating the ancient city of Munigua in southern Spain have found a vast Roman copper mining operation built on an older mine dating back thousands of years.
Exploitation of ore at Munigua apparently began by the Turdetani, the original inhabitants of the region, over  4,000 years ago. Now the excavators have discovered an elaborate system of ventilated underground galleries connected by tunnels dating to the Roman era.
They also found shafts connecting at various heights forming floors that let the miners extract metal deeper than had been believed possible at the time. Happily for the miners, the ancient Romans were on to the secret of ventilation.

The Munigua mine supplied the Roman Empire with vast amounts of iron and copper until the late second century C.E., when all the mines in Hispania were shut down.
The Vespasian cult
The earliest evidence for actual settlement at Munigua, as opposed to mining operations, is Greek ceramics from the fourth century B.C.E. Archaeologists believe that the first settlement was established by the Turdetani. By the time the Romans conquered it for its mines, the city was apparently already a major hub.

Archaeologists digging there since 1956, most recently from the German Archaeological Institute in Madrid, have found temples, smaller sanctuaries, a two-story hall, a forum, thermal baths, city walls and a vast necropolis.
The monumental terrace sanctuary at Munigua has been known all along, going by drawings from the 18th century; historical sources refer to it as the Castle of Mulva.

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The Castle of Mulva at Munigua, Spain.Íñigo López de Audícana

Exactly what divinity was adored there remains uncertain, although it may well have served the cult of the emperor (Fortuna Augusta and Hercules Augustus). Certainly the monumental sanctuary atop the 150-meter-high hill had to be constructed to worship somebody vastly important such as the emperor himself.
“This type of terrace sanctuary is found in republican Latium – the region around Rome. Here in Munigua we have the only example of this monumental architecture in Hispania," says Prof. Thomas G. Schattner, director of the Madrid office of the German Archaeological Institute and head of the excavations.
Valuable enough to kill for
It was partly pursuit of valuable metals that motivated Rome to invade places as far-flung as Israel. Certainly the ancient copper mines in today's southern Israel stepped up production during the Roman occupation.
In Spain too the Romans didn't introduce mining, they exploited mines already in use. But first they had to overthrow the mines' new overlords, the Carthaginians.
Copper and iron had been mined in Andalusia for over 4,000 years. Come the late third century B.C.E., the Punic general Hamilcar Barca of Carthage set out to expand his empire and founded Carthago Nova (New Carthage) on Spain’s southeast coast. He also took over the mines of Munigua.
Within mere years, the Spanish mines had refilled the original Carthage's coffers.

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Part of the excavations at Munigua, Spain.Íñigo López de Audícana

Inevitably, the Punic ambitions led to conflict with Rome. In 218 B.C.E., the Roman commander Cornelius Publius Scipio landed on the Iberian Peninsula with a Roman army and targeted the mines, including those in New Carthage and Castulo, in an attempt to cut off Carthage’s metal supply and strangle its economy.
In a daring attack, when the water in the harbor had dropped lower than usual, 500 Roman soldiers waded ashore and, passing the forts, conquered New Carthage. From that point things went steadily backward for the Carthaginians in Spain.
Over a hundred years later, in the second century B.C.E., metal again began to be mined massively, which ancient authors link with massive migration from Italy to Hispania – the Roman name for the Iberian Peninsula.
We know that metal production enormously increased partly from vast slag deposits in Munigua, some the size of football fields. This has much to do with our knowledge of their mining operations.
"Slag is a first-class archaeological source material, as it can be analyzed and can give precise information about the metal melted, the process by which melting was achieved and the chemical characteristics of the metal,” Schattner told Haaretz.
Romanizing Hispania
The Romans did more to make Spain their own, and while about it, knew how to make the most of mountainsides. In Munigua, on the second terrace halfway up the hill, the archaeologists found a tetrastyle temple with a podium, probably dedicated to the Roman god Jupiter. A temple of Mercury is situated beside a two-story porticus and a nymphaeum (a monument consecrated to the nymphs, usually situated in public bathhouses).

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A temple located on the second terrace at excavations in Munigua, Spain. Íñigo López de Audícana

The lower terrace was the true nerve center of the city. Here the archaeologists uncovered a square plaza with porticoes, surrounded by public buildings, among them the curia and tabularium. The curia was the place where the inhabitants of the town discussed their affairs, and the tabularium was where official state documents were stored.
Two inscriptions carved on bronze tablets were found in the forum. One, dating to the Augustan period, is a hospitium-treatise in which Munigua accepts the control of its Roman patron Sextius Curvius Silvinus. The second is from Emperor Titus to the city, dated September 79 C.E.
Baths found on the lower terrace dating to the time of Nero still have intact stucco on the walls, and an arched ceiling. The floors of the frigidarium (cold bath) and the tepidarium (warm bath) were found fully preserved, with bricks laid in a herringbone pattern.
A dozen houses were discovered, half of which have been excavated. All date to Vespasian's development of the city, which began around 70 C.E. The archaeologists also found two necropolises, one featuring richly decorated coffins and another cut into the rock containing urns that would have held cremated bodies.
Yet for all Munigua’s great development, the large-scale Roman ore extraction seems to mark the end of the settlement.
In the third century C.E., a hiatus is observed, perhaps originating in a massive earthquake that left buildings in ruins from which Munigua seems to have never fully recovered. The city would have inhabitants for another 300 years, but no new building program seems to have been undertaken.
By the late sixth century C.E., the place seems to have been all but abandoned. A few pieces of Islamic ceramics attest that some life remained, but not much, and not for long.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/1.774629
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I think the most notable vestiges of Atlantis beside the Great Pyramid and Sphinx now reside on Mars.

Steve Quayle makes mention of the Pyramids of Mars.
Minute 36:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21FXqEWObLA
So, the words Autumn and Fall are not to be capitalized?
They are in my world!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said, "See, this is new?"It has been already, in the ages before us. Ecc 1: 9-10
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read more: http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/1.774629

We may abide by that...

but meanwhile... Go to this article again.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/1.774629
LOOK now.

Superimpose the "LIVE" google map on this page:

With these images in your virtual consideration.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/1.774629

'...beyond the pillars of Hercules...' et. All.
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Oracle Sum read more: http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/1.774629

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Geo Garbled Greek Gibberish Gibraltar...a Pillar of Plato

Make a Mental Map and overlay them with finely worked orichalcum

Google is as Was.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/1.774629

These recent posts are @ tangible access.(Earth)

Did Jesus believe in Atlantis?  Hmm2

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Another no Shit Moment !
Doh
Neanderthals may have self-medicated long before pills, study shows
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/health/nea...index.html
Sheep
I always Wonder
if Ancient Civilizations
used DNA
to Create Healing Plants
instead of the synthetic Drugs
we use Today .
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Golden city under Lake Titikaka?
Hummn?
https://grahamhancock.com/trumand2/
Scroll down to gold clad wall.
So, the words Autumn and Fall are not to be capitalized?
They are in my world!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said, "See, this is new?"It has been already, in the ages before us. Ecc 1: 9-10
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that long article,
is worth reading just to account for the history of explorations in Lake Titicaca.

Aside from that I see nothing conclusive,
though the missing museum items mentioned near the end of the article,
certainly casts concern on who controls the information.

... the suggested to be a Cobra - snake -- carving was the best part.
That needs to be found again and imaged better.

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Frédéric Dumas inspects the carving of a specticled cobra on a megalithic block of what is probably grey andesite
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Anyone here listen to Steve Quayle, Tom Horn, or Tim Alberino on YouTube, or Coast to Coast?

They are very heavy into the subjects of preflood technologies, and Nephilim/Giants.

I am not in lock step with them on several things, but yet I have not seen anyone come as close to my own thoughts on the Antediluvian/Atlantean cultures either.

Watched a Netflix video last night about using satellite imaging to find old Viking settlements in North America.
Same tech they used to find old settlements under the Egyptian sands.
I think they have used same in the jungles of South and Central America as well.

I am wondering about the location where the Tolima culture was located in Central America.
Somewhere in that general area I think there may be structure in close to pristine condition, and that it holds the key to just what the Golden Flyers were copied from.
I don't not think their importance is really understood as yet.
So, the words Autumn and Fall are not to be capitalized?
They are in my world!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said, "See, this is new?"It has been already, in the ages before us. Ecc 1: 9-10
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Whats the Netflix Video called?
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(03-25-2017, 02:56 PM)The Watcher Wrote: Whats the Netflix Video called?

Vikings Unearthed
So, the words Autumn and Fall are not to be capitalized?
They are in my world!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said, "See, this is new?"It has been already, in the ages before us. Ecc 1: 9-10
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FSB:

Quote:I am wondering about the location where the Tolima culture was located in Central America.

Magdalena River
Colombia

http://www.banrepcultural.org/gold-museu...exhibition

odd stone sculpture --colombia

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(03-25-2017, 11:24 PM)Fsbirdhouse Wrote:
(03-25-2017, 02:56 PM)The Watcher Wrote: Whats the Netflix Video called?

Vikings Unearthed

Thanks, I will look for that. On a day off, the family are not speaking to me, so, pc, headphones and lots of documentary's it will be.

Not available on German Netflix. I am going to look into how to change my ip address so it appears if I am in another country, that is 2 programmes I want to see, that are not available here. Only fools and horses being the other.
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Thanks. I forgot.
So, the words Autumn and Fall are not to be capitalized?
They are in my world!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
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Darned if La Loma del Real Tesoro II doesn't try to remind me a little of Poverty Point. Go figure, I guess.

(09-25-2014, 02:28 PM)letosvet Wrote: Nazca lines of Kazakhstan: More than 50 geoglyphs discovered

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/09/2...iscovered/

More than 50 geoglyphs with various shapes and sizes, including a massive swastika, have been discovered across northern Kazakhstan in Central Asia, say archaeologists.

These sprawling structures, mostly earthen mounds, create the type of landscape art most famously seen in the Nazca region of Peru.

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Described last year at an archaeology conference in Istanbul as unique and previously unstudied, the earthworks, in the Turgai region of northern Kazakhstan, now number at least 260 — mounds, trenches and ramparts — arrayed in five basic shapes

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/scien...works.html
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That's very interesting, I had not seen the 2014 article earlier posted

The turgai swastika is worth a second look.

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Quote:He theorizes that the figures built along straight lines on elevations were 
“horizontal observatories to track the movements of the rising sun.”



or just as likely the moon, or even more likely the two of them in tandem
if
you believe the "glyphs" are not suppoosed to be seen from the sky ...

I wonder if it has to do with star or planet mapping as well.

the turgai swastika looks like an alien emblem --- here is another image of it,
there looks like people with shadows are on the mounds 

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The most comprehensive study on the bones of Homo floresiensis, a species of tiny human discovered on the Indonesian island of Flores in 2003, has found that they most likely evolved from an ancestor in Africa and not from Homo erectus as has been widely believed.

The study by The Australian National University (ANU) found Homo floresiensis, dubbed "the hobbits" due to their small stature, were most likely a sister species of Homo habilis—one of the earliest known species of human found in Africa 1.75 million years ago.

Data from the study concluded there was no evidence for the popular theory that Homo floresiensis evolved from the much larger Homo erectus, the only other early hominid known to have lived in the region with fossils discovered on the Indonesian mainland of Java.

Study leader Dr Debbie Argue of the ANU School of Archaeology & Anthropology, said the results should help put to rest a debate that has been hotly contested ever since Homo floresiensis was discovered.


"The analyses show that on the family tree, Homo floresiensis was likely a sister species of Homo habilis. It means these two shared a common ancestor," Dr Argue said.
"It's possible that Homo floresiensis evolved in Africa and migrated, or the common ancestor moved from Africa then evolved into Homo floresiensis somewhere."

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/...bc-wiping/

Ancient stone carvings confirm how comet struck Earth in 10,950BC, sparking the rise of civilisations

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Speaking of giants -- here's a clip describing the giant of Kandahar:
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Water Lightning: The Mysterious Polynesian Navigation Method Known as 'Te Lapa' - 'The Flashing'
Posted by Greg at 04:26, 21 Apr 2017

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If you've got a globe of the Earth in your house, turn it so that the Tuamoto Archipelago in Polynesia is at the centre of your view - and you'll find from that vantage point in 'space',Earth looks like a water planet, with barely any land in sight on the visible 'disk' of the Earth.
Then consider that the ancient Polynesians settled many of the tiny islands that dot that great expanse of inhospitable ocean, and you have to wonder how they were able to do so - Easter Island itself is around 1000 miles from the nearest habitable land. For centuries, European academics put the settlement of these various islands down to accident - without any of the complex instrumentation used by European navigators, Pacific Islanders obviously just drifted around until they lucked out by hitting land (seriously, can you imagine hopping in a small boat with the intention of just drifting till you found something?).
Opinions on how Polynesians reached these small islands began changing in the second half of the 20th century though, especially after the 1972 publication of Dr David H. Lewis'sWe, the Navigators: The Ancient Art of Pacific Landfinding in the Pacific. Lewis did extensive research on Pacific literature before embarking on a 9-month voyage along with elderly navigators from nine different archipelagos.
What Lewis, and others, found, was that traditional Polynesian navigation was a precise 'science', that used an array of techniques - including using celestial objects (the Sun during the day, stars at night), the movements of wildlife (e.g. birds), the way the swell changed, and even phosphorescence in the sea!
A fascinating recent article at The Conversation delves into some of the techniques of celestial navigation used by the ancient Polynesians, some of which were included in the recent animated movie Moana:

Quote:To calculate their position on Earth, voyagers memorised star maps and used the angle of stars above the horizon to determine latitude. For example, the top and bottom stars of the Southern Cross are separated by six degrees. When the distance between those stars is equal to the bottom star’s altitude above the horizon, your northerly latitude is 21º: that of Honolulu.
When the bright stars Sirius and Pollux set at exactly the same time, your latitude is 18º South: the latitude of Tahiti.
Voyagers measure the angles between stars and the horizon using their hands. The width of your pinkie finger at arm’s length is roughly one degree, or double the angular diameter of the Sun or Moon.
Hold your hand with the palm facing outward and thumb fully extended, touching the horizon. Each part of your hand is used to measure a particular altitude.


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As fascinating as the celestial navigation techniques of the ancient Polynesians are, in recent years another scholar has discussed an even more intriguing, mysterious navigational method. Marianne George, who has a PhD in cultural anthropology, sailed with David H. Lewis in 1993 to the Santa Cruz Islands, and both were surprised to learn that there was an elderly traditional navigator there by the name of Te Aliki Koloso Kahia Kaveia, who offered to share his knowledge about Stone Age methods of navigation:[/size]

Quote:[W]hile David Lewis and I were at his home in Taumako, and just after we spent a day and a half going through a copy of Lewis' We, the Navigators with him, Kaveia pointedly asked David "Would you like to know the Polynesian navigation system?"
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Kaveia covered the usual techniques, such as pointing out "a succession of ten main navigational stars as they rose through the night, and based on feeling the swells moving under my boat he named and described the patterns of swell refraction and reflection in the open sea." He also described a complex system of understanding the winds. But he also pointed out something new: Te Lapa, or 'The Flashing', a water-bound light phenomenon that appears to emanate from land.[/size]

Quote:Use of te lapa is usually only done within about 120 miles from shore. So, strictly speaking, it may be regarded as a piloting method rather than a navigational method. But since most Santa Cruz Islands, and most Pacific islands, are located within 100 or so miles of each other,te lapa is a method that Kaveia used frequently.
...Some oceanic lights are well known and documented, and many of these have very credible scientific explanations. This is not the case with te lapa.
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Both George and Lewis, under Kaveia's tutelage, were able to observe te lapa (George herself sailed 25 separate voyages with Kaveia, or under his direction, over the next 15 years). According to George:[/size]

Quote:Te lapa is generally described by Kaveia and other Taumako/Vaeakau voyagers as white and lightning-like. I saw it white or magnesium-white colored, like lightning...
...According to Kaveia, the lightning-like te lapa bolts are straight lines... My eyes could see that there was a beginning and end of the line of light bolts coming toward me. It happens so fast -
in just a fraction of a second - that it is not easy to see or describe. But what I have seen confirms Kaveia's assertion that the bolts are instantaneous, straight in form, and that they emanate straight from land.
In 1998, while showing me te lapa...Kaveia said to me, "So it is like the islands are sending these bolts of light lines out, and if we look for them when we are at sea then many times we can see them and know the exact direction toward the island.


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There is still no known cause of te lapa. It is a fact that more than 80% of ocean life makes light (bioluminescence) - including "one deep sea jellyfish that can be seen over 300 feet away" and a squid that "sends out photon torpedoes when threatened" - so perhaps there is some link between te lapa and bioluminescent ocean life. However, researchers have yet to find a solid explanation that explains the phenomenon - not least the fact that it appears to be directional from land up to 100 miles away.
In her article on te lapa ("Polynesian Navigation and Te Lapa - 'The Flashing'", in Time and Mind 5:2), George discusses some other possible explanations. Could islands and their surrounding reefs emit electrical charges that 'jump' to other islands, just as lightning jumps from clouds to earth? Or could it be a non-electric form of light that is reflected and refracted by swells that act as lenses? Or perhaps te lapa is caused by magnetic or electrical fields created by tectonic energy emissions.
Unfortunately, George says, the scientists who might be capable of resolving the mystery "have never seen it - or do not know about it yet", and so the phenomenon remains largely unexamined.
Beyond science though, George even goes so far as to suggest the explanation could be non-physical, that te lapa might be "a phenomenon seen only by people who are psychically and spiritually connected to the ocean as a result of decades of seatime and experience with life there."
But ultimately, George says the topic deserves further research - by employing high-tech low-light cameras, confirmation of any physical source should be possible, and could lead to new understandings about light, waves, islands, the ocean and ocean animals.[/size]


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Quote:"Time will tell whether this evidence will bring a paradigm change in our understanding of hominin dispersal and colonisation throughout the world, including in what now seems to be a not-so-new New World," she wrote.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-04-humans-america-years-earlier-thought.html#jCp


Humans in America '115,000 years earlier than thought'
April 26, 2017

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A concentration of fossil bone and rock. The unusual positions of the femur heads, one up and one down, broken in the same manner next to each other is unusual. Mastodon molars are located in the lower right hand corner next to a large rock comprised of andesite which is in contact with a broken vertebra. Upper left is a rib angled upwards resting on a granitic pegmatite rock fragment. Credit: San Diego Natural History Museum
High-tech dating of mastodon remains found in southern California has shattered the timeline of human migration to America, pushing the presence of hominins back to 130,000 years ago rather than just 15,000 years, researchers said Wednesday.
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Makes sense to me .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnlaLPTX_ZQ

FILM SYNOPSIS

An ancient conspiracy has been quietly burgeoning behind the bustle of the modern world. From the mounds of America, to the megalithic ruins on the island of Sardinia in the Mediterranean Sea, the desiccated bones of dead giants are being systematically disentombed and secreted away to clandestine vaults for apocalyptic purposes. While occultists are attempting to harness the arcane necromancy of the Canaanites, genetic engineers are working feverishly to reconstitute the genomes of the giants, and resurrect the dreaded race of Rephaim in the earth.

In this explosive episode, Steve Quayle, Timothy Alberino, and Tom Horn pick up the trail of the Anasazi Indians in the Desert Southwest of the United States. Their groundbreaking investigation reveals a dark and gruesome secret concerning the sudden annihilation of this mysterious tribe, and a cover-up of gigantic proportions. What they discover will demand the re-writing of American history!

Join Timothy Alberino as he explores the enigmatic island of Sardinia in the Western Mediterranean Sea where the skeletal remains of giants are still being extracted from the tens of thousands of megalithic towers and tombs all over the island, and hear the jaw-dropping testimony of those who were hired by the government to dig them out. Discover why Sardinia was ground-zero for the man-eating Canaanite giants that ravished the Promised Land before their expulsion by “Joshua the Robber”.
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Ancient humans had sex with non humans
25 Jul, 2017 9:02am
New research shows that ancient humans had sex with non human species.

According to a study conducted by Omer Gokcumen, an assistant professor of biological sciences at the University of Buffalo, ancient humans had intercourse with a "ghost species" of "proto human".

Gokcumen explains that humans are only one member of a broader species named "hominins".
The research found that humans had sex with other members of the hominins

Gokcumen found "wildly different" genes in DNA of humans living in Sub-Saharan Africa. He believes these genes can be traced back to about 150,000 years ago when ancient humans were breading with this mysterious "ghost species".
This other species is referred to by the scientific community as a "ghost species" as there are no known fossils that can be analysed.

"It seems that interbreeding between different early hominin species is not the exception - it's the norm," Gokcumen said, quoted by the Sun.

"Based on our analysis, the most plausible explanation for this extreme variation is archaic introgression - the introduction of genetic material from a 'ghost' species of ancient hominins."

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The Fall of Satan in the Book of Enoch

Posted on October 10, 2013 by jesuswithoutbaggage

In the centuries just before Jesus, there was a theory of the fall of angels based on an Old Testament passage unrelated to Isaiah or Ezekiel: Genesis chapter 6.
Quote:The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
That is all; the Bible says nothing more.
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Who were the Sons of God?
Who were the sons of God meant to represent? Possibly they were thought to be the descendents of the pure line of Seth, and the daughters of men were descendents of Cain. Or the Sons of God were God-worshipers, while the daughters of men were not. A third option is that they were extraterrestrials.
Much later, the apocalyptic Book of Enoch gave names to the sons of God and elaborated on the story. Enoch understood them to be fallen angels who had sexual intercourse with human women. So God punished them, and their acts led directly to the flood of Noah. Therefore, the fall of the angels related to sexual sins rather than pride.
The Book of Enoch tells the story in chapters 6 and 7:
And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.’And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ And they all answered him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells.
Chapter 10 describes God’s response to the angels:
And the Lord said unto Michael: ‘Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness.And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated.In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever.’
The Book of Enoch continues for several chapters describing the punishments of the fallen angels and their children. The Book of Enoch is not considered inspired by Jews or Christians and is not even in the Apocrypha.
Enoch in Peter and Jude
The New Testament passages that allude to fall
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