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Ten fingers, a freemason and the current system of things.
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Was our solar system designed to produce humans?
By Christopher Knight and Alan Butler

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It is strange where research can lead you. More than a decade has passed since we joined forces to try and find out if there was any reality to a claim that highly accurate units of length had been in used during the British Neolithic. We found that these supposedly primitive people were using a highly developed science that connected them to the rhythms of the Earth.

This led us on to realise that the science used by these Neolithic people did not die out as we first assumed. In our most recent book - Before the Pyramids, we have uncovered rock-solid evidence that the powers-that-be in Washington DC - in the Whitehouse, the US military and the highest levels of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry are aware of, and secretly celebrating this ancient system of science.

But our biggest personal challenge has been to face up to the consequences of our own findings; because they have brought us to the point where we have found compelling evidence that our planet and its environment has been carefully designed for us. Stranger still there appears to be a message built into the very fabric of the solar system itself.

This was not a finding that we had looked for, or even cared for. We are very pragmatic people working in an area of ancient research that is specialised and very sober. Here was an idea that was apparently outrageous - but apparently inescapable.

In early 2009 we had decided to revisit all of out findings that had resulted in three joint books plus one still in draft manuscript form (now published). We were troubled because, despite one of us being an agnostic and the other an atheist, we could not escape the conclusion that we were looking at a message from what we called the UCA (Unknown Creative Agency) that had designed our solar system and all life on Earth.

Then in late November 2009 we were contacted by David Cumming, an expert in AI (artificial intelligence) who had studied our evidence in great detail and independently come to the same conclusion. He claimed that it formed an equation that a very clear message from the creator.

That equation has been refined to:

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We will describe the mathematics at the end of this article, but the important point is this:

Hlf.? is the specification of the SETI Communications frequency for extraterrestrial messages based on a galactic aspect of the hydrogen atom.
This shouts, "Pay attention - this is a message".

? are the numerals of the base ten counting system. This states; "ten-fingered humans I am talking to you".

The left-hand side of the equation equal's the right-hand side, which is the speed of light in a vacuum measured in Thoms per second (Earth/Moon/Sun harmonic units). This says, "the message is from the creator" (because the speed of light is the most significant physical reality in the universe).

Is this credible?

The facts behind it certainly are. But we thought we should go back to retrace some of our key findings over the years to help you decide.




Quote:Christopher Knight Biography
Chris Knight has over thirty years experience in marketing and advertising in consumer goods and business to business. Until 2001 Chris was chairman of Paradigm; the marketing, advertising and PR company that was named England's 'Advertising Agency of the Year' in 2000.

Chris became a writer almost by accident. Back in 1976 he became a Freemason because he was curious to know what the organisation was really about and whether there rituals were as weird as people said. He soon discovered that the rituals were even more oddball as he expected, and slowly he realised that no one in Freemasonry really understood where the Order had come from or what their ceremonies meant. He decided to conduct his own private research and for the next 20 years he slowly reconstructed the origins of the Craft.

With help from fellow Freemason, Robert Lomas, Chris put his findings into a book that he called The Hiram Key - published in 1996. Within three days of release the book unexpectedly entered the UK's top ten bestseller list and remained there for three months. This book is currently available in over forty languages.

This was followed by The Second Messiah, Uriel's Machine and The Book of Hiram.

His researches led him increasingly backwards in time and he has spent the last ten years working with Alan Butler to investigate the origins of Megalithic metrology leading to the co-authoring of Civilization One in 2004. This was followed by Who Built the Moon, Solomon's Power Brokers and Before the Pyramids.

Chris currently divides his time between a director of a number of companies and continuing his researches and writing books. He lives in Yorkshire, England with his wife Caroline and has three grown up daughters by his first marriage.
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Quote:Alan Butler Biography
Alan Butler is 58 years of age and has been a professional writer for the last twenty-five years. Having written since childhood Alan first made his way in the world as an engineer, a background he insists has been of tremendous use to him in his writing career.

With a special interest in ancient civilizations and history generally, Alan's work has been geared towards uncovering mysteries from the past. An expert in ancient astronomy, Alan Butler has worked hard over the years to gain an understanding of the great importance ancient civilizations put upon the stars and planets, both in a practical and a mythological sense. It was this that lead to his first major book 'The Bronze Age Computer Disc', published in the early 1990's by Quantum.

Establishing a working relationship with best selling author Christopher Knight, Alan Butler co-operated over the creation of the very successful 'Civilization One' a groundbreaking book about the evolution of measuring systems and the true extent of ancient knowledge concerning the Earth and the part it plays in the solar system. It was out of this research that Chris and Alan made their groundbreaking recognition of just how very odd the Earth's Moon is. The result was their much talked about book, 'Who Built the Moon?'

Chris and Alan have also co-operated on the Masonic book, 'Solomon's Powerbrokers', which in part led to the revelations at the end of their latest book, 'Before the Pyramids'. In 'Before the Pyramids' Chris and Alan introduce a great deal of incontrovertible evidence supporting their earlier assumptions regarding use of ancient measuring systems and also expose what can only be described as a conspiracy at the very heart of the United States to make Washington DC the centre of a New World Order that has been planned for centuries.

As a solo writer Alan had written books on the Knights Templar, the origins and continuation of Goddess Worship and his best selling book, 'The Virgin and the Pentacle', which is an in depth appraisal of the true nature of Freemasonry and the way it has had a bearing on society.

Alan is also an accomplished dramatist with a string of plays to his credit and two of which he is particularly proud that were produced with great success on BBC radio. He is also particularly proud of his book 'Sheep' that shows just how important sheep have been to the history of our world. 'The subject always makes people smile', he says, 'but readers have been very, very surprised with this title.

Alan lives with his wife Kate in the North East of England. When not at his desk he loves to stay active and enjoys working with wood, as well as tinkering with his ageing but much loved open-topped sports car.

Chris Knight is speaking at the following events in early 2010:

International Conference on Ancient Studies -
'The origins of Civilization' to be held in Dubai February 12th - 13th
ancient-studies.org

World Congress of Initiatic Societies -
Macerata, Italy. April 17th
http://www.iogtconferences.com
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The equation describes a relationship between the hydrogen fine transition line, the ratio between the circumference and diameter of a circle, and the speed of light in a vacuum.

Cumming first realised the importance of the equation when he recognised the equation produced the number 361,449 - a very accurate value for the speed of light expressed in the Thom units (MY) of an ancient Stone Age measurement system.

Firstly, why is the top line of the equation, Hlf.?, significant? SETI (the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) searches on a frequency equal to the frequency of the hydrogen line multiplied by Pi (Hlf.?). This frequency was suggested by Pyotr Makovetsky, for various reasons, as the best potential transmission frequency that should be searched for signs of ETI, and this frequency was adopted by SETI. The search frequency equals 1420.405751 MHz multiplied by 3.141592653 (Pi is chosen to 10 significant figures to match Hlf) equals 4462.336272. If you check what frequencies members of the SETI alliance are listening on currently, you'll find that Makovetsky's frequency features in many of the lists SETI researchers are using.

Secondly, why is the value of Omega significant? This is the number 0.0123456789 - all the characters of the base 10 number system. Cumming states the message originator would know that this is a very likely number system for any life form to use. At the same time, using all the consecutive characters of any number system at all, in a message, is a very direct sign that this is a message, an ordered intelligent communication and not, he says, a random occurrence.

Take ?/? and work this out. Our value for ? is 3.141592653 (10 significant figures are used for Pi, as this is what we're using for ?), divided by the ? value of 0.0123456790 (using more significant figures won't affect the calculation), this gives us the result of 254.4690072. The result of the calculation is actually a value in Thoms (Th), namely 254 milliThoms, or more conveniently expressed as 0.2544690049 Ths.

Standard physics says that the frequency of a wave, multiplied by the wavelength of that wave, is equal to the speed of the wave. In the case of the equation, when you divide out ?/?, the answer must be equal to the wavelength of the hydrogen line, because the hydrogen line frequency multiplied by the hydrogen line wavelength must equal the speed of light.

When we look at the overall equation, we know in advance that the equation will give the value for the speed of light very accurately because what we're doing is multiplying the frequency of the hydrogen line by the wavelength of the hydrogen line. But remember, we've divided ? (3.141592653) by ? (0.0123456790) to get a result for the hydrogen line wavelength expressed in Thoms, so the fact that we get a highly accurate answer appears to be nothing short of a miracle.

The speed of light calculated using the equation is 1420,405,751 cycles per sec (frequency (Hz)) multiplied by 0.2544690072 Thoms (wavelength). This works out at 361,449,241.3 Thoms/sec. This equals 299,804,073.2 metres/sec. This result for the speed of light is 99.996% correct.

Cumming claims that the application of the razor of Occam, we are left with the simple conclusion that the Earth, Sun, and Moon must have been Created to accord with the Equation of Creation.


Quote:Secondly, why is the value of Omega significant? This is the number 0.0123456789 - all the characters of the base 10 number system. Cumming states the message originator would know that this is a very likely number system for any life form to use. At the same time, using all the consecutive characters of any number system at all, in a message, is a very direct sign that this is a message, an ordered intelligent communication and not, he says, a random occurrence.

0.0123456789 - all the characters of the base 10 number system.
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Quote:Ancient knowledge
One question that needs to be asked is 'how did the people of the British Neolithic come to know all about the 366 system and the 'magic' of the Sun, Moon and Earth? Presumably they were told. The Sumerians, who did leave written records say they were told by strange outsiders who taught them the secrets of astronomy and science.

But amongst the many surprises we have endured over the last few years, it is one we came across in early 2009 that stumped us. As we explain in Before the Pyramids, there can be no doubt that the Founding Fathers of the USA secretly designed Washington DC using Megalithic seconds of arc for every detail of the City plan. It is still happening. The Pentagon is a perfect and inspirational exposition of Stone Age knowledge - using the 366 system and the Thom with as much perfection as Stonehenge or Thornborough.

And this was driven by the 33rd degree of the Ancient Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. Presidents and people unknown have been driven to build a city using God's own values - a city fit for God's great purpose.

Do the powers that be in the USA already understand this message? Are they preparing to respond?

We believe that something very special is about to happen and the world needs to know what it is.

I will post a superscript to this intriguing theory of a freemason.
I've got a handle on it.

I can almost Gaurantee Vianova will again blow our mind's as we break out three different systems simultaneously.
Mine, Vic's and Knight's.
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All men created equal,but vary spatially in 3-dimensions.
Size wise in stature there is the Newly discovered "Hobbit" Hominid and The Even more recently discovered missing link "Ardi" to Dwarfism to giagant africans and Basketball stars.
From the very Tall George Washington and Pierre L'Enfant ,near equal in stature...to Pygmy warriors.There has to be a level playing field.
A First American President and 'The Hobbit' are very different so therefore that property is least likely to be a Prime Key.
It Must be IN the NUMBERS of the Hand /Hand(s).

So I figured Hmm2

Pure self referential improvisation and the Genius of itself starts to unravel.
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So, I Did the same with both hands in mirror-fashion.
Facing Inward is like alms or scooping water to wash a face.
Facing Outward gestures No thanx X-mas turkey seconds and thirds ,saving yourself for some PIE
This is a closed System of Things.
10=There are Ten whole Digits.
8=There are Eight Spaces between Digits.

Palms inward =18 x 10 = 180 degrees equals Ray/Line.
Palms outward =18x10 = 180 degrees = a Horizon
= 180 degrees = 90 degrees On-Line-Off-line 90 degrees
180x2x10=360 degrees equals a Circle.
There are possible number systems within your digits...Hey itz DIGITAL!!! Applause
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The Closed System code for a singlehand is almost non-intuitive wich may create a canundrum of sorts.
Looking at single handedness you have Five whole numbers
and four visible gaps.
So how does one derive a Zero...a nothingness?

irregardless ...
If you Start with the Spaces=0 you have four zeroes=zero.
Four nothings and Five somethings = 1.
One Hand in total.

If you prefer binary it would equal=

101010101
if you included both hands it would basically be
101010101101010101

To take this simple code to the Next Level you simply Either make it Binary in the case of single-handedness and get that same number for one hand mirrored input/output
as the one derive from both hands in Either Input or Output mode but Cheers
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Note Sign Language is Primarily Palm Outward wich is indicative of direction to the reciever.
Like Richard C. Hoagland / Sagan. Pioneer Plaque :uni: Watch video @ 4:20 mark!!! Worship
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They Communicated with a single hand(wich Denotes a possible Chirality-like being Christlike and seated on the right hand of god.
More on this funky System.
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I must be alive to continue to read your unique and brutal truth view of the REAL universe :ARRR:

Bob... <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/reefer.gif" alt=":uni:" title="reefer" />
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I may disappoint you on this one.
I happened to run into an internet debunk on this equation somewhere by some mathemetician.
I actually emailed him a while back.
Though I disagree with his conclusions in his debunk,
I do see a flaw in the equation from my perspective, though it may be irrelevant in the final outcome.

Note the quote from Cummings:

Quote:Secondly, why is the value of Omega significant?
This is the ......number
0.0123456789 -

......all the characters of the base 10 number system.
Cumming states:
the message originator would know
that this is a very likely number system for any life form to use.


In other words,
Cummings has arbitrarily decided that this sequence is appropriate
on something "likely as a number system for any life form to use"
.... any life form that knows mathematics obviously.
This can be a flaw to install this sequence on an assumption,
but using the floating decimal he is employing is fine.

If an advanced species is using universal number systems
they know this equation
of replicating decimals:
9.87654320 987654320 987654320 divided by 1.23456790 123456790 123456790 = 8

Now look at the sequence 1.23456790 123456790 123456790 ....to infinity
is very close to Cummings choice:
the 0. 123456789 sequence {ala floating decimal}
but the sequence I have chosen is missing the 8,
however the 8 is in the first sequence above
that starts with 9. 87654320....

We are using infinite replicating decimals now.

Now, employ the floating decimal for convenience {exactly in placement as Cummings did}

1.23456790 123456790 ~ ------ 0.0123456790 123456790 ~


now square root the replicating decimal 0.0123456790 123456790 ~
equals:
0.111111111111 = 1 / 9
now square root that above number
equals:
0.333333333333
equals:
the sine of tetrahedral 19.47122063 degrees.
Now square root that,
equals:
tangent 30 degrees

So if one presenting an equation to ET of such complexity and meaning,
so as to be more precise,
it would make more sense to use the replicating decimal
0.0123456790 123456790 123456790
because an educated ET
knows that the missing 8
is in
9.87654320 987654320 987654320

the actual result attained in the Speed of Light value he achieves is negligable in difference
however to what would be attained using my replicating decimal.

what is interesting though,
is that this Cummings fellow is performing exactly
what my works dictate in harmonic code theory:
Convergence Dynamics of universal harmonic code number systems,
in his attempt to close in on the speed of light.

As far as communicating the 10 fingers as a universal recognizable feature,
it is the perfect count system,
just send a picture of two hands to ET,
with no equations.
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Quote:As far as communicating the 10 fingers as a universal recognizable feature,
it is the perfect count system,
just send a picture of two hands to ET,
with no equations.

Via as I follow but don't TRULY understand the "math" behind your equations I also am in awe <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/worship.gif" alt="Worship" title="worship" /> of how you play with the numbers of the universe to get the "gate".

But...how would we SEND an electronic picture of a certain format of two hands "they" could interpret correctly?

Or...why not carve a BI-HUMAN FACE in Cydonia best candidate for Humans to SEE ?

Bob...
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Wow.
The system of the "9"


Quote:YOUR VERY OWN DIGITAL CALCULATOR
One of the easiest multiplications to do using your hands is the nine times table, for which there is a little trick that is well known among children, but rather less well-known among those who are older.

To do your nine times multiplications, simply put your hands on your knees, numbering your fingers left to right as shown in the diagram below.

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Now choose which multiple of nine you want. Suppose it's 7 x 9. Simply bend down finger number 7, as shown in the diagram below

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Now count the number of fingers and thumbs to the left of the bent finger (6) and the number to the right (3), put them together and you have the answer: 63.



It works for all ten fingers and thumbs, so you can quickly check for yourself that 3 x 9 = 27, and 9 x 9 = 81

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So No Matter What,If you View Both hands or a Single hand.
The Most binary(Off/On)) digits you can Get out of it sums to Nine Hmm2

This surrounds both technicalities.
Wether You Consider The Opposable THUMB as a "Finger or NOT" Stars

Now count the number of fingers and thumbs to the left of the bent finger (6) and the number to the right (3), put them together and you have the answer: 63.



It works for all ten fingers and thumbs, so you can quickly check for yourself that 3 x 9 = 27, and 9 x 9 = 81
No matter how you "try" your hand @ IT
Nine Sums it up. Uhoh 9

A Secret Handshake from a 33rd degree mason likely has some form or another code that will in the end be based on the speed of Lucifer. = C=9
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Quote: Quandaries and Queries


Hi, i'm another gardener that has forgotten how to calculate "how much topsoil in cubic yards i need to order to cover 7500sq. ft. 3 inches deep"?
thanks Maggie



Hi Maggie,

A yard is three feet so a square that is one yard by one yard is 3 feet by three feet, and hence 3 3 = 9 square feet.



Hi, i'm another gardener that has forgotten how to calculate "how much topsoil in cubic yards i need to order to cover 7500sq. ft. 3 inches deep"?
thanks Maggie



Hi Maggie,

A yard is three feet so a square that is one yard by one yard is 3 feet by three feet, and hence 3 3 = 9 square feet.



Thus 7500 square feet is 7500/9 = 833.33 square yards.

Three inches is 12/3 = 0.25 feet and hence 0.25/3 = 0.08333 yards. Thus you need

833.33 0.0833 = 69.4 cubic yards.

Penny


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Thus 7500 square feet is 7500/9 = 833.33 square yards.

Three inches is 12/3 = 0.25 feet and hence 0.25/3 = 0.08333 yards. Thus you need

833.33 0.0833 = 69.4 cubic yards.

Penny



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Where is ZERO???

It works for all ten fingers and thumbs, so you can quickly check for yourself that 3 x 9 = 27, and 9 x 9 = 81
No matter how you "try" your hand @ IT
Nine Sums it up.
Surrounded and Outnumbered by a Nine. 9


A Secret Handshake from a 33rd degree mason likely has some form or another code that will in the end be based on the speed of Lucifer. = C = 9


See = 9
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The problem stems from cross conversion / mixing yards & Feet 12 inches to one foot and three feet to one yard With a base ten system of Meters which equals:

1 yards = 0.9144 meters

1 meter = 1.0936133 yards

To convert meters to yards, multiply the meters by 1.09. To convert yards to meters, multiply the yards by 0.91.

but you already knew that methinks.

Hey lookit, there's your zero.

Man oh man your post edited quick. At one point all there was was the green square and the question "Where's The Zero?"

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Is there a universal law that states all intelligent life must have two frontal manipulative extremities that end in five digits each?

What would be the result of just four each, a base 8 system? Or three each, a base 6?

I wonder, Has it occurred to SETI that they may have over thought the math a tad?

The movie Contact had more of an universal approach, prime numbers as a basis for recognition wasn't it?.

Seems to me, the most simplest would be off and on with equal duration of an amplitude that could not possibly be mistaken as something steming from nature.
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Quote:Hlf.? is the specification of the SETI Communications frequency for extraterrestrial messages based on a galactic aspect of the hydrogen atom.
This shouts, "Pay attention - this is a message".

? are the numerals of the base ten counting system. This states; "ten-fingered humans I am talking to you".

The left-hand side of the equation equal's the right-hand side, which is the speed of light in a vacuum measured in Thoms per second (Earth/Moon/Sun harmonic units). This says, "the message is from the creator" (because the speed of light is the most significant physical reality in the universe).

Quote:Is this credible?-Knight/Butler???
YES If You Consider The Chiral Mirror-form.-EA!!! Koolaid


The facts behind it certainly are. But we thought we should go back to retrace some of our key findings over the years to help you decide.

9 and the Speed of Light.

Quote:the speed of light = 299 792 458 m / s

299 792 458 /9 = 33310273.111111111111111111111111

the speed of light = 299 792 458 m / s
DIVIDED by 9 = 33310273.111111111111111111111111

33310273.111111111111111111111111 x 3=
Quote:99930819.333333333333333333333333

99930819.333333333333333333333333= 99.9 % speed of light in a square system.
Near Perfect.
Or Parfait as le Francaise say...Eh?

99.9% correct Nonono
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Quote:Man oh man your post edited quick. At one point all there was was the green square and the question "Where's The Zero?"

You are one quick guy EA Lmao

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[quote]the speed of light = 299 792 458 m / s
DIVIDED by 9 = 33310273.111111111111111111111111
Now We can Transpose Decimal and a 9 to a Square Unit to seek light speed.

In This Square Confine even if you are 9.99999999999 or 99.9 % you are Naughty BASE: TEN or 100% correct(Just the Next Door Neighbour Dunno hardly matters yet it really does. Mellow Sign Language.

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Quote:1 yards = 0.9144 meters

1 meter = 1.0936133 yards

To convert meters to yards, multiply the meters by 1.09. To convert yards to meters, multiply the yards by 0.91.

nonsense, you are off about 2.5 inches for every 20 yards approx.,
and please don't waste my time.


Aside from that I will show a simple universal exercise with the number 9,
that I developed in my hypercube pdf.
you can use 9 or 10
but the 9 ultimately rules because the ten just displaces the decimal point.


In the Khufu pyramid base
there is all the argument over the 4 base lengths actual dimensions,
all being a hair sliver under or over 756 feet,
or 9072 inches per side.

For all practical purposes each of the 4 Khufu base lengths are 756 feet = 9072 inches,
for a perfect square base, in a basic sacred geometry model.
Thus
4 base lengths x 9072 inches = -----36288 inches<----- total Khufu base perimeter.

.......9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 = 362880
10 x 9 x 8 x7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 = 3628800

The coincidence is quite apparent and using 9 numbers is the primary determinant choice.

In a "Circle of 9"
9 and zero are the same number, and 10 is just 9 +1.

now look at the Khufu base 36288, ................. = 7 x 8 x 8 x 9 x 9
and the 362880
from the equation 9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1

362880 = 960 Saturn 378 day synods = 1008 Earth 360 day calendar year counts
362880 = 14 x great Platonic Age number 25920 = 70 x 72sq. = 7 x 8 x 8 x 9 x 9 x 10
3628800 = 16128 Venus 225 day sidereal

here is a wild one,
my Khufu pyramid height in my Khufu pyramid is ascribed at 481 .09 09 09 09 feet <-----
as a comparative ratio:
362880 / by Khufu pyramid height = the mile 5280 / by 7.

362880 / by 5280 mile = 68 .72 72 72 <-----

Earth has 360 degrees longitude at equator
360 degrees x 60 minutes per degree = 21,600 minutes total = 100 Ancient Pi x 68 .72 72 72
where
Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Pi = 22 / by 7 = 3 .142857 142857 142857~ replicating decimal

362880 / by Solfeggio 528 = 687 .27 27 27 27 = 10 x 68 .72 72 72 72,
which happens to be the Mars sidereal 687 .27 27 27 27
in the Khufu base length of 756 feet.
It would be redundant to elaborate on that specific Mars sidereal,
but suffice it to say that it is an Ancient Egyptian Pi astronomical calendar count vehicle.
10 x khufu 756 = 11 x 687 .27 27 27 = 20 x 378 saturn = 21 x 360 Earth calendar

So
the point in the exercise is the power of 9

note
756 foot Khufu base / by 9 = 84 ........ 84 x earth year 365.25 = 30681 within 4 days of Uranus orbit
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If you're looking for evidence of God in mathematics, you need look no further than the miraculous fact that
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You don't even have to get involved with bizarre neolithic units of measurement. Or, indeed, any units at all.
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Quote:If you're looking for evidence of God in mathematics, you need look no further than the miraculous fact that
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You don't even have to get involved with bizarre neolithic units of measurement. Or, indeed, any units at all.

No-one is looking for evidence of God in mathematics,
except the CERN crowd because they think they are playing with God's tinker toys.

Evidence of God is absolutely everywhere tangible and intangible.

You Lincoln, are so very removed from God consciousness that you have no real business
making stupid statements about God and mathematics.

Only this part of what you said has any truth

Quote:You don't even have to get involved with bizarre neolithic units of measurement.
Or, indeed, any units at all.


The truth is that complexities of physical existence or manifested reality
gestate or emanate out of the quantum foam or the point source of the abyss
or nothingness, or whatever you want to define it as,
from fairly simplistic harmonics as far as the number accounting and such process goes.


No matter how one applies {e}, pi and phi together,
one cannot attain a perfect system of pure harmonics all inclusive with the values defined
as such by modern mathematics,
but one can come awfully close in a Convergence Dynamic.
This may ultimately reveal that {e} still has room for some refinement,
or that convergent values of universal constants are either close enough
or actually better in a variety of applications.
Note the changes in the value of {e} and Plancks constant
over several decades of mathematics study.
Often in looking at scientific definitions of these constants on the net
one finds rounded values for {e} and Planck's.
Young kids in schools are taught to just start with Pi = 3.14.

If one had to ascribe a "Mayan" style Planck value it would be 6.625.
But that is silly as Lincoln as well,
as the Mayans obviously had no clue about Planck's,
and at best 6625 = 25 x 265.
Lol

One can simplify modern mathematics by aligning Pi and Phi to this:
Pi / by Phi sq = 6 / 5.
The resultant Pi is 3.141640787 rounded.
This value of Pi can be found directly in pentagonal {and other} geometry.

Now Lincoln, show us where you got your equation.
and
Show us how your White Duck on the Wall equals Zero to the power of Ten.
{jethro tull}

As far as "freemason" Code,
It is quite intricate, and difficult to fully decipher their full intent,
but specific basics can certainly be found in the Philadelphia Grand Masonic Lodge arches
that are without question beyond coincidence, and relate directly to ancient Egyptian Pi.
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Remarkably offensive person, aren't you Vianova?
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#20
Quote:Remarkably offensive person, aren't you Vianova?


For a while there, I thought it was only me that experienced that gestalt.
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Quote:
Quote:1 yards = 0.9144 meters

1 meter = 1.0936133 yards

To convert meters to yards, multiply the meters by 1.09. To convert yards to meters, multiply the yards by 0.91.

nonsense, you are off about 2.5 inches for every 20 yards approx.,
and please don't waste my time.


I'll be sure to pass on your findings as soon as I remember what place I found that handy dandy scientific formulae.
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Quote:[quote author="lincoln"]Remarkably offensive person, aren't you Vianova?


For a while there, I thought it was only me that experienced that gestalt.[/quote]
You are not going to explain "God" with 3-D math
Rofl

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and just for the record
v is here day in day out
Hi
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Quote:and just for the record....
Wook, my non-friend, you may take your "record" and install it anywhere other than here. I imagine the only person with the slightest interest in it would be Vianova himself. (Himself? herself? I'd like to think that a woman could not be that nauseatingly unpleasant, but then I have the example of my ex-wife to take into account.)
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More babble
Hi

as for your ex wife
she knows you
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Lincoln,Thanx for the Equation but as bizzarre as it sounds this is really about a freemason and his engineer co-author describing a system that has Base-Ten as an aspect of that(Megalithic Yard)MD UNIT. or a: THOM...if you prefer.

From their theory we can add or subtract to it.
Underlying it to the core or Overlaid like a gridiron.
But we should at least take a peek, [Image: eye_of_the_one_dollar_pyramid.jpg] Eh? Hi Are You in there Link?
What exactly do you think we usually do around here on a day to day basis.
Rigggggghhhhhhht Naughty

Now you clearly mean: Dunno All truth is already known and nothing is new under the sun.
Just ask "Surfer-Dude" about E-8 Wub
I'll Gaurantee she never used the term: Nonono and you in the same breath.

No Offence.
You seem bitter...
Vic has great concepts on the 9 as well as 10.

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Watch how this stuff works Lincoln.
=================================EA




Vic:

Quote:As far as communicating the 10 fingers as a universal recognizable feature,
it is the perfect count system,
just send a picture of two hands to ET,
with no equations.

[Image: george_washington_freemason.jpg]

Vic:
Quote:As far as "freemason" Code,
It is quite intricate, and difficult to fully decipher their full intent,
but specific basics can certainly be found in the Philadelphia Grand Masonic Lodge arches
that are without question beyond coincidence, and relate directly to ancient Egyptian Pi.

[Image: george-washington-as-a-master-mason.jpg]
just send a picture of two hands to ET <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/dunno.gif" alt="Dunno" title="dunno" /> maybe they have?

Binary code of the single Hand 101010101

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101010101 x ^2 = 1o2o3o4o5o4o3o2o1
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Quote:Remarkably offensive person, aren't you Vianova?


Yes.
Bitch.
Now get over it.
Your ex wife got over you when she left her high heel up your ass.

I am offensive to you only because you play games, though you are obviously intelligent.
Your funkified equation is a Zipper Glyph of nonsense in reference to this thread.
Your passive disgust, reflected in your veiled aspersion,
was to infer that we are looking for "God in mathematics" ... as blind mice.

Your comments are welcome, just don't play games and quote bullshit.

You are offended because you consider yourself a man of God,
that thinks he is evolved to a higher level than the lower castes
that you perceive to infest this forum.
Don't even try to bullshit me that you have an ounce of respect for any of us.

Threads like this are created sometimes just to see where they go.
Often that is the best venue of creative spontaneity.

Creative spontaneity.

That is Godhead.

It doesn't necessarily have to work, you just try it.
Then you try again.
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Starlord sez
Quote:For a while there, I thought it was only me that experienced that gestalt.

Everything you got, you deserved,
Bitch.
You and your cocky crap in the Sitchin thread is why you are a bitch.
Sugar coating bullshit is like rolling terds over in the snow,
something you are quite good at.
I asked you....to please... not waste my time.
Please is finished.



Bob says

Quote:But...how would we SEND an electronic picture of a certain format of two hands "they" could interpret correctly?


I was speaking in generalities late at night, and I should be more careful.
It is too late tonite as well.
I did say ..."no equations"... and that is short of necessary ingredients.
Two hands would be optimum to have numbered fingers
in the image display at the very least,
augmented by accompanying mathematics for a communicative venue.
EA's example of Washington was good in the framework of Masonic inferences,
it not only displayed a complete human in artificial settings,
but also a cultural decor, regardless of how it may be interpreted by an ET.



That binary code EA posted is interesting in number harmonics.
The common displacement of the integers by zeroes in specific important numbers
is seen in ancient Egyptian number systems as well.
The "Kemi" 12960000 is an Egyptian base number of 1296..... multiples of 360 ...
1296 = 18 x 72
12096 = 168 x 72


Mayan Long Count 1872000... use the sequence 1872
1872 = 12 x 156
18072 = 12 x 1506




now looking at all that....
we have the number 234 = 9 x 26 or .... 0.9 x Mayan Tzolkin 260.

Square 23.4 twice and you are within 30 km /sec of the speed of light

With zero as a spacer:
2304 is a hypercube coordinate ... in the 9-cube enneract .... = 32 x 72
2034 = 18 x 113<----- note the 113 ,

now following thru:
two sets of Solfeggio numbers use the same multiplicative constant 1.3333333~
which is the arctangent for slope of the Khafre pyramid.

Solfeggio 396 x 1.33333333 = Solfeggio 528
Solfeggio 639 x 1.33333333 = Solfeggio 852

but
they operate within the parameters of two different forms of Pi.

it was looking at Solfeggio numbers 852 and 639
that clued me into the ancient Pi value from the fraction 355 / by 113.

modern Pi = 3.141592654

355 / by 113 = 3.14159292
the decimal
0.14159292 = 16 / 113

now back to 234 with a zero spacer at 2034 and the above Pi value

Solfeggio 639 / by 2034 = Pi value 3.14159292 / by 10

Solfeggio 852 / by 2034 = 0.418879056 .... x 10 = 4.18879056 = Pi 3.14159292 x 1.333333

but solfeggio 528 and 396 do not work with that Pi value.
They work with Ancient Egyptian Pi = 22 / 7 = 3.142857 142857~:

528 / by 3.142857 142857~ = 168 = ......saturn synod 378 x 0.4444444
396 / by Egyptian Ancient Pi = 126 = ......saturn synod 378 / 3


there is no grand magic or revelation here,
but
is it not interesting that two sets of Solfeggio frequencies
work directly mathematically with two forms of ancient convergent Pi?
yes...no...? ...oh well....

look at Solfeggio 417 .... this unfortunately is a convergence and not exact...
{6.5 x modern Pi} ...then squared.

blah blah blah

enuff for tonite, almost time to pull out the Masonic Arches.
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Meanwhile, back at the topic...

Quote:why is the value of Omega significant? This is the number 0.0123456789 - all the characters of the base 10 number system. Cumming states the message originator would know that this is a very likely number system for any life form to use.
I dispute that. When written out like that it has a veneer of Universality, but what if I told you "oh by the way, this is a hexadecimal number"? In that case its value as a number rather than as a string of digits changes completely. It's just a matter of notation.

I also, personally, find it impossible to believe there's anything universal about measurements in thoms. I don't think the slimy-green intelligences on Epsilon Wook, or wherever, can be expected to understand measurements in miles, kilometers, thoms, or Vianova-penis-lengths.
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#29
a light year is a light year
a hertz a hertz
on and on
anywhere
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Quote:a light year is a light year
a hertz a hertz
on and on
anywhere
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get over your penis envy
So is it your contention that measurements in seconds and years are understood by all intelligences throughout the universe?
[insert appropriate emoticon]
Get over your habit of using silly emoticons as a substitute for logic.
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Quote:[quote author="lincoln"]Remarkably offensive person, aren't you Vianova?


Yes.
Bitch.
Now get over it.
Your ex wife got over you when she left her high heel up your ass.

I am offensive to you only because you play games, though you are obviously intelligent.
Your funkified equation is a Zipper Glyph of nonsense in reference to this thread.
Your passive disgust, reflected in your veiled aspersion,
was to infer that we are looking for "God in mathematics" ... as blind mice.

Your comments are welcome, just don't play games and quote bullshit.

You are offended because you consider yourself a man of God,
that thinks he is evolved to a higher level than the lower castes
that you perceive to infest this forum.
Don't even try to bullshit me that you have an ounce of respect for any of us.

Threads like this are created sometimes just to see where they go.
Often that is the best venue of creative spontaneity.

Creative spontaneity.

That is Godhead.

It doesn't necessarily have to work, you just try it.
Then you try again.
keep on <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/bump.gif" alt="Bump" title="bump" />

Starlord sez
Quote:For a while there, I thought it was only me that experienced that gestalt.

Everything you got, you deserved,
Bitch.
You and your cocky crap in the Sitchin thread is why you are a bitch.
Sugar coating bullshit is like rolling terds over in the snow,
something you are quite good at.
I asked you....to please... not waste my time.
Please is finished.

[/quote]

Sure, sure, As soon as sitchin presents a peer reviewed dissertation on how his fantasies play out, you be sure to let me know and I'll be the first one to let you know that you were right.

I was talking with EA, so your comment about me wasting your time amounts to an unsolicited attack on your part.

Do you always treat folks that do not agree with your interpretations this way?

Again, thank you for your kind offer for friend ship but In all honesty I feel it only fair to point out that me being straight, you have mistakenly assumed that I bite the pillow. I wish you all the happiness this world has to offer.

Back to the issue at hand,

Wook brought up a very good point regarding 3 dimensional numbers not being able to be used for information in a certain arena. Wook, did I understand that correctly?
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Lincoln:
Quote:Meanwhile, back at the topic...


EA quoted Knight/Butler/Cumming:
why is the value of Omega significant? This is the number 0.0123456789 - all the characters of the base 10 number system.
Cumming states the message originator would know that this is a very likely number system for any life form to use.


Lincoln(All Quotes):
Quote:I dispute that.
EA-Please do.

Quote:When written out like that it has a veneer of Universality,
EA-When written out like that it it concludes as such when taken to TEN Decimal places..

Quote:but what if I told you "oh by the way, this is a hexadecimal number"?
EA-I'd tell you "oh by the way,this hexidecimal is base six but can be scaled base ten with ease.You tried to put a Hex on us...I Decimally Decimate that woo-woo skeptoid logic.
Penn and teller/James Randi crap...GAWD!!!! don't involve bill Nye the science guy please.

Quote:In that case its value as a number rather than as a string of digits changes completely.
EA-but then you forgot all geometry is algebrea in graphic 2-d form.

Quote:It's just a matter of notation.
EA-Itz just a matter of a wave or a Particle...You PEEKED and lost your Quantum capability.

Quote:I also, personally, find it impossible to believe there's anything universal about measurements in thoms.
EA-As I've said,likely between Vianova and myself,combined with Knight/Butler...we will overlay and underlay a subscript/superscript.What's in your wallet?

Quote:I don't think the slimy-green intelligences on Epsilon Wook, or wherever,
can be expected to understand measurements in miles, kilometers, thoms, or Vianova-penis-lengths.
EA-They don't need to....They can merely understand the speed of light in their Units,They will eventually get around to us via Hydrogen.

A Circle is a Circle wether Thoms KM miles yards or the Distance of your ex-wife in relationship to your bitter self...pick a card. Any Card.

Lincoln:
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If I totally surround you on a 2-d Plane.
I absolutely Outnumber you in 3-d. Spherical
When we get to Time and 4-d,you and I will do lunch.
If you get that far...cuz I will eat you for breakfast ...burp.
=================================EA


Was our solar system designed to produce humans? (cont.)
By Christopher Knight and Alan Butler
The Sumerian Metre
It is well known that the Sumerian culture had a 360-degree circle and a 360-day year. They knew perfectly well that this was wrong and that are 366 star turns in a complete year, but it made their system of numerical notation and they built in compensations. They also invented the hour, the minute and the second - or at least they are the earliest people to be known to have used it. (In fact we now know that the second of time was in use in the British Isles at least 2,500 years before the Sumerians adopted it.

The Mesopotamian cultures, at various times, used a range of linear measurements, depending on the item being measured but there is a general consensus that a linear unit known as the 'kush' or 'barley cubit' was the main unit of length for during Sumerian times.

The kush was made up of 180 'se' meaning 'barley seed' and was equivalent to 49.94 cm and the often used double-kush which Professor Livio Stecchini stated that he believed should be 99.88 cm. It follows that this double-kush was made up of 360 se, just as their year had 360 days and their circle 360 degrees.

It is no coincidence that the double kush is almost identical to the modern metre because they were both based on a pendulum that swings at the rate of once a second.

The Sumerians and later cultures of the region around the Tigris and Euphrates rivers used a sexadecimal counting system of base 10s and 60s. Their divisions of time were very neat indeed:

Year = 360 days

Month = 360 hours

Day = 360 gesh (a gesh was 4 minutes of 240 seconds)

Each of the Sumerian hours represented 1 degree of the Moon's journey around the Earth and every degree of the Moon's journey was split again, by 60 to give minutes of arc and by 60 again to give seconds of arc.

Today we use seconds to measure many things, including the speed of light, which is 299,792,458 metres per second. If we change that to kush per second we get the amazingly round figure of 600,000,000 - which is a beautiful sexadecimal value. (99.95% accuracy).


The Moon.
Quote:Through how many degrees, arc minutes, and arc seconds does the Moon move in (a) one hour, (b) one minute, © one second ? How long does it take the Moon to move a distance equal to its own diameter on the sky ?


ANSWER: In this problem you are asked to consider angular motion — the motion of an object across the sky with respect to the background of stars. The Moon takes 27.3 days to complete 1 orbit of the Earth with respect to the stars, a period known as a sidereal month. Through a telescope, the Moon’s motion is readily apparent, but to the eye, it requires careful observation over several hours to notice the Moon’s changing position against the background of stars. This problem exercises your understanding of (1) angular units such as degrees, arc minutes, and arc seconds, (2) the conversion between one set of units into another, and, (3) the use of ratios.

Note that the symbol for arc minutes is ¢ and the symbol for arc seconds is ².


(a) How far does the Moon move in one hour ?

The Moon completes one orbit in about a month, or more quantitatively, moves through 360 degrees in 27.3 days. 360 divided by 27.3 = 13.19 degrees per day. Each day the moon will appear about 13° to the east of its position at the same time on the previous day.
Now convert to motion per hour. 13.19 degrees per day divided by 24 hrs/day = 0.55 degrees/hr. The moon passes through a little more than ½ of a degree in one hour of time.
Since 1° = 60 arc minutes, then 0.55° = 33 arc minutes (this is a ratio, 1:60 as 0.55:33). Therefore the Moon moves through 33 arc minutes in one hour of time.
Since 1 arc minute = 60 arc seconds; the Moon moves through 33 times 60² arc seconds in a hour = 1978² per hour of time.




(b) How far does the Moon move across the sky in 1 minute ?


From (a) we found that the Moon moves through 0.55 degrees in one hour. To find out how far the Moon moves in one minute, divide by 60 minutes per hour. The answer is = 0.0092 degrees per minute. The Moon moves through a small fraction of a degree in one minute of time.
As 1° = 60 arc minutes, then 0.0092° = 0.55 arc minutes. The Moon moves through 0.55 arc minutes per minute of time.
Since 1 arc minute = 60 arc seconds, the moon moves through 33 arc seconds per minute of time. This motion is easily visible through a small telescope.


© How far does the Moon move across the sky in 1 second ?


From (b) we found that the Moon moves through 0.55 degrees per hour. To find how far the Moon would move in 1 second, divide by 3600 seconds per hour, which = 0.000153 degrees in one second of time.
If the Moon moves 0.55 arc minute per minute of time (from part b) then the Moon will move 0.55¢ ¸ 60 = 0.0092 arc minutes in one second of time.
0.0092 arc minutes ´ 60 arc seconds per arc minute = 0.55² per second of time.


(d) How long does it take the Moon to move a distance equal to its own

diameter ?


The diameter of the Moon is about 30 arc minutes, which = 0.5 degree (given in the notes).
From part (b), we found that the Moon moves through 0.55 arc minutes per minute of time
The time in takes to move a specific distance = that distance divided by the rate of motion. A familiar analogy is estimating travel time on a car trip. The time it takes to travel 100 miles at 50 mph = distance (100 miles) divided by the rate (50 mph), which = 2 hours. By analogy, the time it take the Moon to move one lunar diameter = the distance traveled (30 arc minutes) divided by the rate of motion (0.55 arc minutes per minute of time), which = 54.5 minutes. The Moon moves its own diameter in just under an hour.

Lincoln...the above puts a Hex on your Decimal.
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