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How Obama has managed to blind American people
#67
Quote:[quote author="Keith"]a turd sandwich

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#68
Yeah, someone once asked me if Oblama eats turd sandwiches, I replied
"no, he don't like bread'
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#69
it didnt just happen that after the election people became blind, most have been going around in a DAZE all of their lives
more or less hudsons bay again
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#70
Things have been bugging me again
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Iran/Iraq/Affaygannstan/ etc
No bigoted racists thoughts or "Profiling" going on there
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BS

Now they want a Obesity Tax
So Gubbymint can gain Weight
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BS

Bring the Troops Home put them on the Border
Build Hospitals and Small Businesses in USA again
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#71
http://www.observer.com/2010/wall-street/new-doom
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#72
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http://www.examiner.com/x-10438-Human-R ... iner-email
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#74
Celente - Bull Run Or BS?
Crash Of 2010 On Its Way
By Gerald Celente
7-22-10

KINGSTON, NY - 2010 has thundered past the half way mark and is galloping into history. What will the rest of the year hold?

Most of the "Top Ten Trends for 2010" forecast by Gerald Celente this past winter in the Trends Journal® have either come to pass or are about to manifest. Celente predicted:

The Afghan surge would fail.
The economic recovery would never materialize.
Terrorist threats would increase.
Tea parties would gain strong momentum.
Obama's popularity would wane and/or plummet.
Anti-Immigration sentiments would intensify.
In 2009, "experts" rejoiced at the sight of the impending recovery's "green shoots" and predicted the advent of a roaring bull stock market run.

Bull market or BS? Celente called the green shoots a mirage and recovery "a cover up." Sure enough, the Dow is now trading at 1999 levels. He also wrote "Geopolitical and sociological fallout will threaten the entire European Union" and he forecast the "Crash of 2010."

Will the "Crash" happen at all? Will it happen on schedule? Events conspiring in that direction are explored in detail in the Summer Trends Journal®, just sent to subscribers.

These and other prescient forecasts of the trends shaping what is left of 2010 - and that will resonate well beyond - are unique to the Trends Journal® and vital for readers and listeners concerned with their own future and that of the world.

To stay ahead of the times and on top of the trends, please contact me for the Summer edition of Trends Journal® and/or to arrange an interview with Trends Research Institute Director, Gerald Celente.

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#75
Quote:[quote author="Samurai Jane"]Obama didn't blind the American people. This travesty of a Presidency was decades in the making. The dark side was working diligently all these years, corrupting education, medicine, the arts, and agriculture. They destroyed our health, busted up our families, dumbed down our schools, sent our jobs overseas, and poisoned our food and water. It only took them about 70 years to accomplish this. It probably wouldn't have worked at all without radio and television.

I have to take my hat off to you, we dont always agree but you made an excellent point, maybe we could change the topic as how Obama has become a puppet of the powers behind the curtains, he is just the fruit of years of Illuminati and NWO wacos that seeing in the US the only enemy in the world able to stop them or at least been an obstacle. Obama is just the result of a very maquiavelic experiment destined to destroy the US and bring forth a NWO under the rule of the UN and its allies.[/quote]

I suppose I should say that he looks like he has aged 10 years or something, not that he has been relaxed about his job. I think that if he had planned what is happening, he would appear much less stressed about it all and would have aged alot less.
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#76
I definitely agree he's aged.

Honestly I think it's the first time in his life he has had to actually have a job and take responsibility for something.

Too bad he gets to learn in the highest political office!

Still I think the real reason he looks so old, tired and stressed is because like Clinton after he got in office he found out he can't do most of what he wanted to do, but he will take ALL the blame for the crap going on.

Clinton was a lot smarter, he probably figured out real early he would take all the blame and made sure there was a minimum to land on him.

By contrast Obama figured he was immune to blame and will be remembered as "Jimmy Carter's Second Term"

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#77
Well, well, well, guess what? (you supposed to say WHAT?)

The Democrat Congress (No run by Bush) has approved another 60 billions dollars for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. How long are we going to keep trying to feed the "dead horse"? C'mon is freaking dead and stinks, time to bring our troops back, muslims will NEVER be our friends. Islam and Democracy dont get along!!!
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#78
no sane person "gets along with Democracy", who in their right mind wants to live under mob rule?
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#79
Quote:no sane person "gets along with Democracy", who in their right mind wants to live under mob rule?

Which is better, an organized mob, or a disorganized mob?
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#80
Quote:[quote author="Morbius"]no sane person "gets along with Democracy", who in their right mind wants to live under mob rule?

Which is better, an organized mob, or a disorganized mob?[/quote]

neither.

give me a Federalist Republic any day, or if i can't have that how about just a benevolent king? or not so benevolent, doesn't really matter.

Democracy, especially as distorted in the USA is a terrible system because no one is responsible, not the fools who vote, not the clowns voted in, no one.

we get what we deserve, and for being foolish enough to worship at the alter of mob rule we may already all be damned.
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#81
Quote:Democracy, especially as distorted in the USA is a terrible system because no one is responsible, not the fools who vote, not the clowns voted in, no one.

Not quite true, I think. Corporations and alliances both global and domestic and the unknown maze of black intelligence programs are responsible. Responsible but not accountable; power, corruption and greed enable lobbyists to buy exemption to any law including murder and assassination . . . especially in the name of "national" security.

I agree with you about a Federalist Republic. I fear what we have evolved is a global kleptocratic oligopoly with control threads in and out of the black (intelligence? security?) world.
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Yep, we're doomed. Now it's just a matter of surviving until the pendulum stops and goes back in the other direction.
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#83
Quote:[quote author="Tarius"][quote author="Morbius"]no sane person "gets along with Democracy", who in their right mind wants to live under mob rule?

Which is better, an organized mob, or a disorganized mob?[/quote]

neither.

give me a Federalist Republic any day, or if i can't have that how about just a benevolent king? or not so benevolent, doesn't really matter.
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A KING?

You have to be joking.
Rome was a federal republic.

in that vein, we might as well have a fascist dictatorship too, or an emperor
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#84
Quote:[quote author="Morbius"][quote author="Tarius"][quote author="Morbius"]no sane person "gets along with Democracy", who in their right mind wants to live under mob rule?

Which is better, an organized mob, or a disorganized mob?[/quote]

neither.

give me a Federalist Republic any day, or if i can't have that how about just a benevolent king? or not so benevolent, doesn't really matter.
[/quote]


A KING?

You have to be joking.

in that vein, we might as well have a fascist dictatorship too.[/quote]

not really, mostly i was being sarcastic.

It is worth pointing out that King George would never have had the audacity to tax us at the insane rates we're taxed today.

We did in fact rebel over much lower taxes than the average person pays now.

No King in history would have been as oppressive and controlling as the "national" government of the USA has become.

Any King abusing their power such would quickly find themselves facing an uprising or deposed, which was my point.

In a Monarchy the Sovereign is responsible, in our twisted system no one is responsible, not even Bush, so we know our new dear leader will never be either.

EDIT:

point was that a monarchy, which is a complicated government system is actually better than the mob rule we have now in the USA.

A fascist dictator on the other hand is not, that's despotism.

The only system worse than the one we have now, and the direction we're heading very quickly if the currency really collapses.
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#85
Quote:[quote author="Tarius"][quote author="Morbius"]no sane person "gets along with Democracy", who in their right mind wants to live under mob rule?

Which is better, an organized mob, or a disorganized mob?[/quote]

neither.

give me a Federalist Republic any day, or if i can't have that how about just a benevolent king? or not so benevolent, doesn't really matter.

Democracy, especially as distorted in the USA is a terrible system because no one is responsible, not the fools who vote, not the clowns voted in, no one.

we get what we deserve, and for being foolish enough to worship at the alter of mob rule we may already all be damned.[/quote]

My point in this is that if you have government, the mob is organized; no government and the mob is disorganized.
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#86
Quote:My point in this is that if you have government, the mob is organized; no government and the mob is disorganized.

And an organized mob is far more dangerous than a disorganized mob.
No offense Tarius but this kind of thinking that no gov't = danger is classic 12 year gov't indoctrination [ie education]. An organized mob can coordinate their attacks on us. A disorganized mob isn't able to coordinate because, well they're disorganized.

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#87
Oh, I forgot to comment on this one. [didn't have time this a.m.]

Quote:no sane person "gets along with Democracy", who in their right mind wants to live under mob rule?

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#88
Quote:[quote author="Tarius"]My point in this is that if you have government, the mob is organized; no government and the mob is disorganized.

And an organized mob is far more dangerous than a disorganized mob.
No offense Tarius but this kind of thinking that no gov't = danger is classic 12 year gov't indoctrination [ie education]. An organized mob can coordinate their attacks on us. A disorganized mob isn't able to coordinate because, well they're disorganized.

Peace[/quote]

Its not that I think no government is bad, its that I think people will end up banding together to form one anyway, one that isnt so great. If you can figure out a way to keep people from organizing some form of government so they benefit at the cost of others, then by all means tell us your thinking in this area.
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#89
Quote:If you can figure out a way to keep people from organizing some form of government so they benefit at the cost of others, then by all means tell us your thinking in this area.

Start here. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10925

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#90
Quote:[quote author="unibonger"][quote author="Tarius"]My point in this is that if you have government, the mob is organized; no government and the mob is disorganized.

And an organized mob is far more dangerous than a disorganized mob.
No offense Tarius but this kind of thinking that no gov't = danger is classic 12 year gov't indoctrination [ie education]. An organized mob can coordinate their attacks on us. A disorganized mob isn't able to coordinate because, well they're disorganized.

Peace[/quote]

Its not that I think no government is bad, its that I think people will end up banding together to form one anyway, one that isnt so great. If you can figure out a way to keep people from organizing some form of government so they benefit at the cost of others, then by all means tell us your thinking in this area.[/quote]

it is a fallacy to assume the natural state of people is the barbarous feeding frenzy that we see today.

160 years ago people were much less governed and much more civilized, the more government control, the more poverty the worse the violence and oppression, the more mob behavior we see.

the notion of warlords and roving bands destroying and plundering is a situation you only see in situations with limited resources and ability to support people, modern technology overcame this a long time ago.

now what we suffer is the forced shortages that keep us all going at each other all the time. Left alone most people are content to go about their own business. It's critical to understand the violence in our society is not being staved off by government, it is CAUSED by government. That's why the USA is the most violent country on earth with the largest prison population on earth.

We've been a hybrid socialist/fascist nation since the 1930s, this sort of oppression is so detrimental that i find it incredible people think this is preferable to peaceful decentralized government.

Tarius i don't care if one town has a king, the next one west is ruled by democracy and the one to the east is ruled by a despot as long as i can pick the one to live in i can be happy. With our national government there is no escape.
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#91
Quote:[quote author="Tarius"][quote author="unibonger"][quote author="Tarius"]My point in this is that if you have government, the mob is organized; no government and the mob is disorganized.

And an organized mob is far more dangerous than a disorganized mob.
No offense Tarius but this kind of thinking that no gov't = danger is classic 12 year gov't indoctrination [ie education]. An organized mob can coordinate their attacks on us. A disorganized mob isn't able to coordinate because, well they're disorganized.

Peace[/quote]

Its not that I think no government is bad, its that I think people will end up banding together to form one anyway, one that isnt so great. If you can figure out a way to keep people from organizing some form of government so they benefit at the cost of others, then by all means tell us your thinking in this area.[/quote]

it is a fallacy to assume the natural state of people is the barbarous feeding frenzy that we see today.

160 years ago people were much less governed and much more civilized, the more government control, the more poverty the worse the violence and oppression, the more mob behavior we see.

the notion of warlords and roving bands destroying and plundering is a situation you only see in situations with limited resources and ability to support people, modern technology overcame this a long time ago.

now what we suffer is the forced shortages that keep us all going at each other all the time. Left alone most people are content to go about their own business. It's critical to understand the violence in our society is not being staved off by government, it is CAUSED by government. That's why the USA is the most violent country on earth with the largest prison population on earth.

We've been a hybrid socialist/fascist nation since the 1930s, this sort of oppression is so detrimental that i find it incredible people think this is preferable to peaceful decentralized government.

Tarius i don't care if one town has a king, the next one west is ruled by democracy and the one to the east is ruled by a despot as long as i can pick the one to live in i can be happy. With our national government there is no escape.[/quote]

Oh, I see what your getting at, you think the government covers too large an area and there isnt a way to choose what type you would like. Aside from that I dont falsely "assume the natural state of people is the barbarous feeding frenzy that we see today"; I assume that a few of them are and that there are lots of people who are fine just following others, regardless of how they are, ie. something along the lines of strong personalities dominating the weak. In fact, look at the Mormon religion as a good example here. Today, there is a choice of religions, yet people choose to follow the Mormons and give them evrything they own. Now, why did they choose Moronism? They could have choosen any otehr religion, yet they choose that one. Now granted, some people are born into it, but some people choose to go along with it. It can be looked at as pretty similiar to government, you wouldnt have to follow one, but given a choice, many people would choose one anyway.

I think the only way to not have government, is to have almost no government, but still government that is. It would be along the lines of keeping something minimal in place so that nothing else is able to grow. One question, tons of money from governmnts goes to technological research, without government, how would you be able to have any of that? Sure there could still be some, but it would end up being private, not public.
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#92
Gubbymint doesn't fund us at HM to research
yet we do research as freedom of thought.
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more local solutions must sought
rather than empowering all mighty gubbymint to protect you from shit that happens anyway.
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#93
Less is better if no one cheats. Government should do only those things we can't do for ourselves very easily. Roads for instance. Fire Departments. Building inspectors. Schools so all can attend instead of just the rich. Regulate monopolies so people don't pay more than they should. The problem with government is getting it to actually do just those things we want from it. It takes on a life of it's own at times. When the drug company people are put in charge of approving drugs there is a problem.

When corporations can influence the government we have problems. That is exactly what is wrong right now, too much corporate power. To solve that problem, another government agency is started, which soon becomes infested with corporate types, and then another agency to watch the first, repeat. Well, that is my humble opinion. Kingship has some advantages, but absolute power corrupts absolutely and I am not going to bow to another mere human on pain of death. Ptui. Anarchy just means the Bloods and Crips run things. So what to do? I personally have decided the only thing I can do is fight from within the government and try to oust corporate power.

Where did that effing windmill go anyway?
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#94
guggymint is a monopoly
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#95
and it should be a monopoly of the people and for the people and by the people . . . but is often bought for a price by power.
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#96
Tarius and Arnik both raised some really good points.

For Arnik i would point out that schools were private in this country until the late 1890s and beyond in most areas. During this time we had the opposite of what you're worried bout, everyone went and got a far far better education than can be gotten today. It's fascinating to see what they were teaching to a student in year 6 then, high school curriculum aren't that advanced.

I'm sure we could all do all of the things Arnik touched on through the private sector for a lot less than the 62% of my income the governments take at all levels through payroll and hidden taxes.

We've reached a huge tipping point and Tarius touched on it, but i have very strong feelings on it.

The US Constitution, a document most revere but I loathe, sets up a Federal government, not a national one. (the bill of rights and declaration i obviously respect)

What we have today is an oppressive national government. It can't last much longer now that it's bankrupt. It never needed to exist in the first place and was a terrible idea, the people in Washington state have nothing in common with the people here in SC, who have nothing in common with those in Vermont or Illinois.

That lack of common bond and interest, combined with the fact that our national government will not roll back to being a Federal body, is why I believe this country will break into 4-7 different countries starting within the next 5-8 years.

Comically I figure it will all disintegrate right as Obama is leaving office, either this term or god forbid he's reelected after his second.
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#97
One good working example of how things can work is volunteer fire departments.They are funded, staffed, and operate on guess what? A voluntary basis. Stars since when you create more money and debt it usually results in inflation but we seem to be in a deflationary period. The term bankrupt is not my favorite as well since it implies that the debt is not payable. Since the the debt is indeed sovereign it can be paid. Technically since the currency is not backed by anything physical like gold or silver I suppose it is correct though, just kind of obtuse if you don't really think about the terms used.
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Quote:not really, mostly i was being sarcastic.

It is worth pointing out that King George would never have had the audacity to tax us at the insane rates we're taxed today.

We did in fact rebel over much lower taxes than the average person pays now.

No King in history would have been as oppressive and controlling as the "national" government of the USA has become.

Any King abusing their power such would quickly find themselves facing an uprising or deposed, which was my point.

In a Monarchy the Sovereign is responsible, in our twisted system no one is responsible, not even Bush, so we know our new dear leader will never be either.

EDIT:

point was that a monarchy, which is a complicated government system is actually better than the mob rule we have now in the USA.

A fascist dictator on the other hand is not, that's despotism.

The only system worse than the one we have now, and the direction we're heading very quickly if the currency really collapses.


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