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We Never Forgot About Mars
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2017
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-01039-9
Highly compressed water structure observed in a perchlorate aqueous solution

Quote:Fundamentally our conclusions are that magnesium perchlorate 
has a major impact 
on water structure in solution. 
The relatively pronounced cation to anion association is mediated by water molecules 
and causes a major disruption to water structure. 

This disruption is the equivalent to a pressure in pure water needed for the formation of Ice VII. 

The first coordination shell in this form of ice is characterized by both hydrogen-bonded 
and non-hydrogen-bonded water molecules. 
To a marked extent water–water hydrogen bonds in the pure liquid 
are replaced by cation-water-anion bonds in solution. 
This, no doubt, is a major contributing factor to the very deep eutectic point of this solution. 
It may also explain the high deliquescence and low evaporation rates associated with this salt—
factors that are important for the solutions to be stable 
under the low and widely varying humidity conditions found on the surface of Mars


this 2017 article evolves from the above

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...-life.html
Life really could exist on Mars: 
Hardy bacteria similar to that found in the Arctic 
may thrive on the red planet thanks to a salty solution that prevents liquid water from freezing

'The discovery of significant amounts of different perchlorate salts in Martian soil 
gives new insight into the Martian "riverbeds." 



[Image: 454B91AD00000578-4977154-image-a-11_1507891746439.jpg]
This graphic shows the spatial density of the brine solution, 
with pressure forcing the shell of the compound to collapse in on the central water molecule, 
preventing it from freezing
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This seems like an odd set of square dirt patterns that are NOT rover wheels.


https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/mss...XX-br2.jpg


[Image: 1843ML0096500010703016E01_DXXX-br2.jpg]


Hmm2 Marsrover


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Steve in Wednesday's Chat said Hoagland used this in a show and also in Superman Man of Steel movie as "Easter Egg" treat I think Said he couldn't find other YouTubes of it, but I did listed below are two + the clip from movie

The Pharaoh of Mars, 1331 Angel Numbers, Curiosity Rover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zbmGNObdvA
or
Pharaoh on Mars "Best Evidence Yet" Discovered by Mars Explorer Rover
Fransisca Darrigo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW4ZI9eO8B4

@rhw007:
From the Man Of Steel Movie @ 40 min in this is 9 second clip of the laptop screen
https://mycommonsenseparty.com/man_of_steel_easter_egg.html


I'll email Steveo the link for this post

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Photo 
Another odd assortment of "rocks" in this close up on last day before weekend.
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/...1_DXXX.jpg


[Image: 1856MR0097020000104997E01_DXXX.jpg]


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A very in depth and detailed article on Eridania basin on Mars,
with images that have an actual ruler scale in km and meters.
Well worth reviewing.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15978
Ancient hydrothermal seafloor deposits in Eridania basin on Mars

[Image: ncomms15978-f3.jpg]
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I have proposed the distinct possibility of ... ice worms ... on Mars many times.
Underground where the ice is an icy slush,
or inside those glaciers of ice slushy saline muck that move ever so slowly,
etc etc,
microniche, macroniche, ... the key is Martian evolution over billions of years,
the adaptive response to changing conditions.

Perchlorates in the Mars soil is a problem for Earth worms,
though they can survive in medium  concentration perchlorated solis.  
I would say to that,
Martian ice worms may be a Mars evolutionary adaptation over time.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017...ience-spd/
Earthworms Reproduce in Simulated Mars Soil—a First


Quote:There are, however, 
other significant barriers to growing plants on Mars. 
They'd need a climate-controlled environment,
to keep them from freezing in Mars's harsh cold, 
and to allow them liquid water, 
and some sort of shielding to protect them from the radiation on Mars's surface.
thanks to its lack of a global magnetic field.


That is why they are called Earth -- Worms.



Quote:In studies where worms were exposed to high levels of perchlorates
most did not survive.


But some did survive.
You breed the survivors.

Maybe try the Earth ice worms as well.
Then maybe  Hmm2 you cross breed them with Martian ice worms Reefer

Plenty of microroganisms in the Martian slushy underground ice water.


Quote:Microbes survive well in perchlorates
and it's still possible for plants to grow in soil containing the substance, 
both Wamelink and Smith say. 


"Worms grab organic matter from the top of the soil—eat it, chew it—
and when they poo it out, 
bacteria can break it down further. 
Otherwise without worms you deplete the nutrients in the soil," Wamelink explains.


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I was reading about "alien bacteria"on ISS outer skin.
Then I read about "tardigrades" and the extremes they can withstand.
They might survive on Mars.
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Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Data Release 43

The Planetary Data System (PDS) is pleased to announce a new delivery of
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) data for the following instruments:

 CRISM
 CTX
 HiRISE
 MARCI
 MCS
 RSS
 SHARAD
 SPICE

There is no derived gravity data in this release.

In general, MRO Release 43 includes data collected from
February 9, 2017, to May 8, 2017. The release includes
HiRISE data from August 10 to October 31, 2017.

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I'm an Earthling with a Martian Soul wanting to go Home.   
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Sweet !!
Never invite a Yoda to a frog leg dinner.
Go ahead invite Yoda to a Frog leg dinner
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https://www.news24.com/World/News/new-is...20171213-2
New island offers clues in search for life on Mars: NASA


Quote:The world's newest island – 
formed during a volcanic eruption in the remote Pacific three years ago – 
may offer clues to how life potentially developed on Mars, NASA said on Wednesday.

The island of Hunga Tonga Hunga Ha'apai rose from the seabed 
about 65km northwest of the Tongan capital Nuku'alofa in late 2014-early 2015.

Scientists initially expected the island – 
created when vast quantities of rock and dense ash spewed from the Earth's crust – 
to wash away within a few months.

But NASA said it had proved more resilient than expected, 
possibly because warm sea water combined with ash 
during the volcanic explosion 
to create a concrete-like substance known as "tuff".

While the island – which initially measured 1km wide, 2km long and about 100m high – 
has undergone significant erosion, 
it is now expected to last anywhere from six to 30 years.  Lol

Jim Garvin, the chief scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre, 
said it was a rare chance to study the life cycle of a newly created island.

He said Mars had many similar volcanic islands Whip
that appeared to have been surrounded by water when they were created.

Garvin said such spots may be prime locations to look for evidence of past life 
because they combined a wet environment --- with heat from volcanic processes.

Examining how life gained a foothold on the Tongan island 
could help scientists pinpoint where to look for evidence of life on Mars, he said.

"Islands like this might have worked on Mars two or three billion years ago – 
lakes and small seas filling depressions, persistent surface waters," he said.

"(It's) stuff we really strive to understand because it could have produced the conditions 
necessary for microbial life."


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Quote:GARVIN:
Examining how life gained a foothold on the Tongan island 

could help scientists pinpoint where to look for evidence of life on Mars, he said.

ANYPLACE EXCEPT

#2020CydoniaRover

S   P   R   E   A    D            I    T           E      V     E     R     Y     W     H     E     R     E  




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I'm an Earthling with a Martian Soul wanting to go Home.   
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this lady has interesting material on Mars

http://cosmicdiary.org/lfenton/2017/12/04/1448/

 To the upper right of this 0.85×0.6 km (0.53×0.37 mi) scene is a flat-lying plain strewn with large ripples. 
To the lower left is a rugged hill with gray rock laced with white veins 
(this might be part of an impact megabreccia identified nearby in Holden crater). 

Notice that some of the ripples on the rugged hill are also veined – 
this is evidence that they are actually eroded into the bedrock, 
rather than fine-grained deposits like their counterparts on the plain. 
It’s not yet clear how these “Periodic Bedrock Ridges” form, and they may be unique to Mars.
 (HiRISE ESP_052789_1520, NASA/JPL/Univ. of Arizona)
[Image: ESP_052789_1520_1.0x.jpg]


above image
http://cosmicdiary.org/lfenton/files/201...0_1.0x.jpg

A Piece of Mars: Look at the alignment of the ~100 m dunes in this 713×750 m (0.44×0.47 mi) scene. 
How do dunes form in such straight lines? 
And why don’t they always do that? 
It’s likely that these dunes were once long ridges stretching from the lower right to upper left. 
The shape of the slip faces suggests they’re formed from two winds that blow from similar directions, 
both of which push sand toward the upper left.
To stay stable, this sort of dune needs a constant influx of sand from upwind (from the lower right), 
but if that flow of incoming sand lessened, 
then a long dune would be forced to break up into a series of smaller dunes. 
That may be what’s happened here. 
Check out the whole image, and you’ll see other long ridges that haven’t yet broke up into smaller dunes. 
(HiRISE ESP_052798_2565, NASA/JPL/Univ. of Arizona)

[Image: ESP_052798_2565_1.0x.jpg]


Lori Fenton
Unfortunately
she is from the SETI institute  Hmm2
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weather report Mars
every day movies

http://www.msss.com/msss_images/latest_weather.html

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...-snow.html
Scientists find bacteria living in polar ice and snow for the first time in breakthrough that could expand the zones for habitable planets
  • Microbial activity in Arctic and Antarctic snow has been observed for first time
  • It means bacteria remain active in snow even in the areas thought to be sterile
  • This means worlds with water ice could be considered in the search for life 
By Cheyenne Macdonald For Dailymail.com
Doh

So they now know What we figure Years ago

Hi youareaduck
Never invite a Yoda to a frog leg dinner.
Go ahead invite Yoda to a Frog leg dinner
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(12-21-2017, 03:13 PM)Wook Wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...-snow.html
Scientists find bacteria living in polar ice and snow for the first time in breakthrough that could expand the zones for habitable planets
  • Microbial activity in Arctic and Antarctic snow has been observed for first time
  • It means bacteria remain active in snow even in the areas thought to be sterile
  • This means worlds with water ice could be considered in the search for life 
By Cheyenne Macdonald For Dailymail.com
Doh

So they now know What we figure Years ago

Hi youareaduck

I thought that "they" had found viable microbes in ICE CORES !!! Still going on !!!

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I'm an Earthling with a Martian Soul wanting to go Home.   
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Wonder How Keith's health is doing in his recovery?

PDS just got a new "X-Mas Present" from Opportunity:

The Planetary Data System (PDS) is pleased to announce Release 54
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from Sols 4681 through 4770, rover Opportunity (MER1/B), instruments:

 APXS
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 HAZCAM
 MI
 NAVCAM
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Hope that 1669 Sol data is in there with sticky note to side of rock

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I'm an Earthling with a Martian Soul wanting to go Home.   
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Keith's health?

Didn't know there was a problem?
So, the words Autumn and Fall are not to be capitalized?
They are in my world!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said, "See, this is new?"It has been already, in the ages before us. Ecc 1: 9-10
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Jesus fing Christ
Doh
who in here hasn't know this for a dozen years or more
Horsepoop
http://www.webnewsys.com/2018/01/game-ch...tists.html
Game-changing discovery: Scientists believe massive ice sheets on Mars could create oxygen for humans

and don / algae
was a idiot .
Never invite a Yoda to a frog leg dinner.
Go ahead invite Yoda to a Frog leg dinner
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odd that this is the only article out on this subject,
but it is fresh


https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/9...es-science

Tiny device for DNA could change space exploration forever
Quote:A TINY device has been developed to seek out life, 
in some of the deepest crevices of the solar system ,
and could change space exploration forever if it is taken on a future trip to Mars, 
or the moons of Europa and Enceladus, it has been revealed.

The portable DNA sequencing device dubbed MiniON, 
was created by Oxford Nanopore Technologies in the UK, 
and is used to detect microbes and sequenced DNA from active microbes.

MiniON has already been tested in the Axel Heiberg region over 500 miles from the North Pole - 
the device revealed microbes in salty areas in roots as deep as 1,970 feet, 
showcasing the potential of the technology on a space exploration mission.

The researchers behind the life-detecting hardware, 
published their findings in the Frontiers of Microbiology journal.

It reads: “The analog study site is located near the McGill Arctic Research Station (MARS) ,
on Axel Heiberg Island in the Canadian High Arctic. 
MARS is located in a polar desert and is located in proximity 
to a number of high fidelity Mars analog sites of interest to astrobiology, 
including cold saline springs arising through permafrost, 
gypsum cryptoendoliths and extensive polygonal permafrost terrain 
underlain with ice wedges similar in structure to those observed on Mars.”

NASA has previously suggested that recurring slope lines (RSLs) 
could hold the key to detecting life on another planet - 
the organisation disclosed that they contain hydrated salts 
that put forward a strong case for the presence of water, and potentially life, on other planets.

Lyle Whyte, a professor from McGill University, 
declared that the true nature of RSLs cannot be known until they are sampled - 
this could be where the MiniON shows its true worth.

She explained: "It's something we just don't know about, 
and can't know until we can drive up to an RSL and sample it.”
Ms Whyte’s calls for a mission examining RSLs 
have instigated calls for a small device capable of detecting life.

The professor is part of a team led by postdoctoral fellow Jacqueline Goordial 
from the Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences in Maine.


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(01-29-2018, 04:10 AM)VianovaShe explained: "It\s something we just don't know about, Wrote: and can't know until we can drive up to an RSL and sample it.”
Ms Whyte’s calls for a mission examining RSLs 
have instigated calls for a small device capable of detecting life.

The professor is part of a team led by postdoctoral fellow Jacqueline Goordial 
from the Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences in Maine.

Good find and I agree and the Big Fracking Rocet is going to SAME latitude as Cydonia about 210 Deg E

#2020CydonaiRover

SPREAD IT EVERYWHERE


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https://mars.nasa.gov/news/8305/tiny-cry...nY.twitter
Tiny Crystal Shapes Get Close Look From Mars Rover
Gypsum
"So far on this mission, most of the evidence we've seen about ancient lakes in Gale Crater has been for relatively fresh, non-salty water," Vasavada said.

"In either scenario, these crystals are a new type of evidence that builds the story of persistent water and a long-lived habitable environment on Mars," Vasavada said.
[Image: DVoHZs-X0AAr1Az.jpg]


https://mars.nasa.gov/resources/21484/
This rock target, called "Haroldswick," is near the southern, uphill edge of "Vera Rubin Ridge" 
on lower Mount Sharp.

The origin of the stick-shaped features is uncertain. 
One possibility is that they are erosion-resistant bits of dark material 
from mineral veins cutting through rocks in this area. Nonono

[Image: 21484_pia22213_Sol1922-Haroldswick-merge.jpg]
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They are likely fossilized life like eels, fish, other water habitat animals.

but they won't "test" that fracking cowards.

Now Asinine Shits Away from Just Possible Life


COWARDS ALL !!! of those frackers Elon has more balls than the ENTIRE NASA/JPL shit hole of an agency, plus a good sense of humor too


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I'm an Earthling with a Martian Soul wanting to go Home.   
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They must be targeting the Cydonia Latitude in Special Releases for February they're are a LOT of 39 degree range both North and South of Equator that have weird pits, cones, running linea and other oddities one might expect at THAT latitude.  The fact that they are doing at same latitude in Southern Hemisphere makes me think they are trying to get more of those in there.  Only 1 or 2 images "say" Cydonia...but all lot of the rest are close.

https://www.uahirise.org/releases/2018/f...php?page=1

But hey, they're still getting images, whether they're RELEASING them all is another booger.

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