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Nom de Plumesss... 'Cloud' over Mars leaves scientists baffled.
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from the article in the last post,
I think this is disinformation:

Quote:Researchers said they are not sure how far down it goes, 
but that it may be around three feet (one meter) deep.


Described as a 20 km lake ... and only a meter deep.  Naughty
I do not believe them on the depth.
There may indeed be shallow expanses of liquid water that stretch like flat lenses,
down at a variety of depths below a kilometer across Mars,
but there are lakes that have lake like depth as well,
and this is one of them. 
You can bet there are underground channels of liquid water that run intermittently as well.

This statement is music to my eyes and ears.


Quote:"There are likely similar water deposits below the ground all across Mars." 




My belief from the beginning,
was for a liquid water flow system well below the ground in select areas across Mars as well.
In many locations it may be quite intermittent,
over vast periods of time.
In more specific Mars locations there may long term underground channel flow of liquid water.
Many of the lakes may be interconnected deep undergrouund.

Even deeper below the ground than this lake is found to be,
there may be larger and deeper reservoirs of water.
There could be lakes deep subsurface Mars ... 3 km to 10 km below the ground.
The true scenario could be quite vast indeed.

one more time  


Quote:"There are likely similar water deposits below the ground all across Mars." 


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#35
Now thatz Tristar Awesome Paul!

The Triangle lake Just below the  Holycowsmile Mars Hades-Benz Pyramid LilD    Cool.


That Rocked Kalter Rauch!

For Vianova, I note a portion of your post I would like to highlight.


Quote:...
from the article in the last post,
I think this is disinformation:

Quote: Wrote:Researchers said they are not sure how far down it goes, 
but that it may be around three feet (one meter) deep.


Described as a 20 km lake ... and only a meter deep.  [Image: naughty.gif]
I do not believe them on the depth.

That triggered a...

Quote:Recall: [Image: arrow.png] Under the Poof-Dust!  [Image: lilD.gif]
"It is strange that SHARAD cannot confirm this discovery. In fact, SHARAD cannot penetrate through the ice here and no one understands why it can't," Stillman said. https://phys.org/news/2018-07-liquid-ben...e.html#jCp
EA: Dust nucleates all available moisture and it precipitates to the ground---Then a global layer(of Dust) approx 2 - 12 meters thick buries it for future life utility?

Water went poof!?!?!? Outer-space/Under the poof-dust
 
SHARAD can't see through Sheep Poof-dust-ice  Sheep is as MARSIS was.

This may all belong in this thread Walking on Water: Man on Cydonia (Pages: 1 2 3 4 ... 22 )

Though I will first reply in -situ.

New materials undergo solid-liquid phase transitions at room temperature
July 26, 2018 by Lisa Zyga, Phys.org feature


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By using light to switch the phase of the new photoswitchable materials, the researchers could spatially control the solid and liquid regions in a single material. The photomask of the buffalo is 2.5 x 2.5 cm. Credit: Worrell et al. Published in Nature Communications
Researchers have developed the first materials that can permanently change from solid to liquid, or vice versa, when exposed to light at room temperature, and remain in the new phase even after the light is removed. The researchers also demonstrated that the light can be used to draw liquid designs in a solid material or solid designs in a liquid material, creating stable materials that are part solid and part liquid. The new materials have potential applications for 3-D printing, molding, and on-demand recycling, among other uses.



The researchers, led by Brady Worrell, Christopher Bowman, and coauthors at the University of Colorado, Boulder, have published a paper on the materials with photoswitchable phases in a recent issue of Nature Communications.

As we see in everyday life, conventional materials switch phases due to changes in temperature or pressure. For example, solid ice can be turned into liquid water by heating or—less commonly—by increasing the pressure (a higher pressure lowers the melting point, causing the ice to melt at colder temperatures than normal).

Certain polymers, however, are permanently solid—even when exposed to extreme changes in temperature or pressure, they never become liquid. These materials, which are called covalently cross-linked polymers, can be modified so that an external stimulus such as light or heat causes them to switch from solid to liquid. However, this is only a temporary change, in which the polymer reverts back to its solid form as soon as the stimulus is removed.

In the new study, the researchers presented two new polymers, one which starts as a solid and can be converted into liquid, and the other which starts as a liquid and can be converted into a solid. The polymers are the first materials of any kind that can undergo a permanent phase change in response to a stimulus other than temperature or pressure (in this case, light).

The solid and liquid polymers both switch phase when irradiated by UV light with a 365-nm wavelength for about five minutes. However, the light affects the two materials differently. The liquid polymer initially contains a base that promotes a stress-relaxing thiol-thioester exchange reaction, which causes the polymer to act like a fluid, but the solid does not initially contain this base. When the solid polymer is exposed to light, the light releases a catalyst that releases the base, promoting the stress-relaxing reaction and converting the solid to a fluid. On the other hand, when the liquid polymer is exposed to light, the light releases a different catalyst that releases acid, neutralizing the base and halting the stress-relaxing reaction, which converts the liquid polymer into a solid.

Using light instead of temperature or pressure to control the phase changes makes it possible to exert exquisite spatial control over these phase changes, allowing the researchers to define separate solid and liquid regions in a single material. To demonstrate, the researchers used nanoimprint lithography to design a photomask in the shape of a buffalo (the University of Colorado Boulder mascot). By using the two different wavelengths of light, they could make either a liquid buffalo on a solid background or a solid buffalo on a liquid background. Despite consisting of both liquid and solid, the material is stable and the liquid and solid portions remain permanently separate.

The researchers expect that, in the future, these abilities will open the doors to a variety of new applications where polymers are used.

"In a broad context, the thiol-thioester exchange in network polymers allows for wide-ranging application in a variety of fields," Worrell told Phys.org. "This material effectively bridges the gap between thermoplastics and thermosets at very low operating temperatures, allowing for recycling, repurposing or remolding (thermoplastic behavior) and on-demand application to a substrate (thermoset behavior). This material will therefore likely have appeal in smart coatings applied on-demand where environmental stresses limit effectiveness."

[Image: 1x1.gif] Explore further: New compound switches between liquid and solid states when exposed to light or heat

More information: Brady T. Worrell et al. "Bistable and photoswitchable states of matter." Nature Communications. DOI: 10.1038/s41467-018-05300-7


Journal reference: Nature Communications


Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-07-materials-...m.html#jCp



That sounds exacly like two different levels of radar echo... When you involve an anomalous substance(water) on another World.

When they also classify and thoroughly describe the properties of "Poof-Dust" wich great strides have been made.
RCH will be vindicated on itz cloaking ability as a natural meta-material.
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#36
SHARAD can't see through [Image: sheep.gif] Poof-dust-ice  [Image: sheep.gif] is as MARSIS was.

This may all belong in this thread Walking on Water: Man on Cydonia (Pages: 1 2 3 4 ... 22 )

Though I will first reply in -situ.

Earth example. Arrow

Thursday, April 12th, 2018, 01:40 am (This post was last modified: Thursday, April 12th, 2018, 01:46 am by EA.)
Quote: Wrote:"We saw these radar signatures telling us there's water, but we thought it was impossible Naughty  that there could be liquid water underneath this ice, where it is below -10C."


Newly discovered salty subglacial lakes could help search for life in solar system
April 11, 2018, University of Alberta


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A cold and windy spring night on the vast landscape of Devon Ice Cap -- twosubglacial lakes are lurking 750 m below the surface. Credit: Anja Rutishauser

An analysis of radar data led scientists to an unexpected discovery of two lakes located beneath 550 to 750 metres of ice underneath the Devon Ice Cap, one of the largest ice caps in the Canadian Arctic. They are thought to be the first isolated hypersaline subglacial lakes in the world.



"We weren't looking for subglacial lakes. The ice is frozen to the ground underneath that part of the Devon Ice Cap, so we didn't expect to find liquid water," said Anja Rutishauser, PhD student at the University of Alberta, who made the discovery while studying airborne radar data acquired by NASA and The University of Texas Institute for Geophysics (UTIG) to describe the bedrock conditions underneath the Devon Ice Cap. Ice penetrating radar sounding measurements are based on electromagnetic waves that are sent through the ice and reflected back at contrasts in the subsurface materials, essentially allowing scientists to see through the ice.

"We saw these radar signatures telling us there's water, but we thought it was impossible that there could be liquid water underneath this ice, where it is below -10C."


Please reply also here: Walking on Water: Man on Cydonia ( Arrow    22 )

Water is an anomaly.
Poof-Dust is a Natural Meta-Material.
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#37
"Natural Meta-Material"

Lodestone seems to belong in that category.
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#38
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That solid-liquid phase polymer {metamaterial} they developed has unique versatility.


Quote:this material effectively bridges the gap between thermoplastics and thermosets,
at very low operating temperatures, 
allowing for recycling, 
repurposing or remolding (thermoplastic behavior) 
and on-demand application to a substrate (thermoset behavior). 


Polymers are supposed to be non toxic,
none the less I would be careful handling such material.
They say it can be recycled so it must be stable material that does not break down into toxic components.

I found this little note in the text to be very interesting from a number standpoint.


Quote:The solid and liquid polymers both switch phase when irradiated by UV light,
with a 365-nm wavelength


why 365 ? How does that happen? they appear to be very specific about the number.


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It's the heartbeat rate of Mother Earth Luv 



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I redid my Mars Lake image to be smoother, more metallic,
and removing some artifacts around border.
(The original post above is deleted
because I had also deleted the imgur image,
which resulted in it disappearing here...sorry)

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#41
Name that Plume Arrow


Arsia Mons is ERUPTING!
Keith


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#42
Mars Express keeps an eye on curious cloud
October 26, 2018, European Space Agency

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Elongated cloud on Mars. Credit: ESA/GCP/UPV/EHU Bilbao, CC BY-SA 3.0 IGO
Since 13 September, ESA's Mars Express has been observing the evolution of an elongated cloud formation hovering in the vicinity of the 20 km-high Arsia Mons volcano, close to the planet's equator.




In spite of its location, this atmospheric feature is not linked to volcanic activity but is rather a water ice cloud driven by the influence of the volcano's leeward slope on the air flow – something that scientists call an orographic or lee cloud – and a regular phenomenon in this region.

The cloud can be seen in this view taken on 10 October by the Visual Monitoring Camera (VMC) on Mars Express – which has imaged it hundreds of times over the past few weeks – as the white, elongated feature extending 1500 km westward of Arsia Mons. As a comparison, the cone-shaped volcano has a diameter of about 250 km; a view of the region with labels is provided here.

Mars just experienced its northern hemisphere winter solstice on 16 October. In the months leading up to the solstice, most cloud activity disappears over big volcanoes like Arsia Mons; its summit is covered with clouds throughout the rest of the martian year.

However, a seasonally recurrent water ice cloud, like the one shown in this image, is known to form along the southwest flank of this volcano – it was previously observed by Mars Express and other missions in 2009, 2012 and 2015.

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Mars elongated cloud – 21 September. Credit: ESA/DLR/FU Berlin, CC BY-SA 3.0 IGO
The cloud's appearance varies throughout the martian day, growing in length during local morning downwind of the volcano, almost parallel to the equator, and reaching such an impressive size that could make it visible even to telescopes on Earth.

The formation of water ice clouds is sensitive to the amount of dust present in the atmosphere. These images, obtained after the major dust storm that engulfed the entire planet in June and July, will provide important information on the effect of dust on the cloud development and on its variability throughout the year.

The elongated cloud hovering near Arsia Mons this year was also observed with the visible and near-infrared mapping spectrometer, OMEGA, and the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) on Mars Express, providing scientists with a variety of different data to study this phenomenon.



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Mars elongated cloud – 17 September. Credit: ESA/CNES/CNRS/IAS
[Image: 1x1.gif] Explore further: Mars upside down

Provided by: European Space Agency


Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-10-mars-eye-curious-cloud.html#jCp
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#43
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No doubt that they have part of the long plume phenomena correct.
I still say there is a heat source driving that cloud, 
and the heat is just inside the volcano.
Why aren't there plumes from the other enormous volcanos then,
if it is a "water ice cloud" caused from "leeward slope air flow"?

The volcano is heating up more likely,
and that is producing the much of the stimuli for the "water ice air flow".

Who .. at ESA Gangup  ... determined that there was absolutely no volcanic activity of any sort?
What they really mean is ---  there is no visible large eruption that can be verified.
Did ESA ever hear of .... fumaroles? Whip
There could be hundreds of active small fumaroles,
on the southwest flank of that enormous volcano.

Seasonal ice water cloud air flow ... is their claim  ... due to "leeward slope" ?

Sounds more like a proactive effort to debunk active geology on Mars,
a common tactic by ESA and NASA ... as they did with evidence of water and life.
Seasonal fumarole activity on Mars,
may have much to do with --- deeper underground water flow variations over the Martian year,
under the surface of the sothwest flank of the volcano.

  Naughty  ESA  Nonono

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Quote:[Image: naughty.gif]  ESA  [Image: nonono.gif]

I agree, this particular orbiter is on an elliptic orbit and also has SPECTROMETERS what is the Chemical Makeup? What is the temperature of the area? 

WHERE IS THE DATA SET FORTH ?

Gangup 


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Quote:The identified organics first dissolved in the ocean of Enceladus, then evaporated from the water surface before condensing and freezing onto ice grains inside the fractures in the moon's crust, scientists found. Blown into space with the rising plume emitted through those fractures, the ice grains were then analyzed by Cassini's CDA.


OCTOBER 2, 2019
New organic compounds found in Enceladus ice grains
by Gretchen McCartney, Jet Propulsion Laboratory
[Image: neworganicco.jpg]In this image captured by NASA's Cassini spacecraft in 2007, the plumes of Enceladus are clearly visible. The moon is nearly in front of the Sun from Cassini's viewpoint. Credit: NASA/JPL/Space Science Institute


New kinds of organic compounds, the ingredients of amino acids, have been detected in the plumes bursting from Saturn's moon Enceladus. The findings are the result of the ongoing deep dive into data from NASA's Cassini mission.

Powerful hydrothermal vents eject material from Enceladus' core, which mixes with water from the moon's massive subsurface ocean before it is released into space as water vapor and ice grains. The newly discovered molecules, condensed onto the ice grains, were determined to be nitrogen- and oxygen-bearing compounds.
On Earth, similar compounds are part of chemical reactions that produce amino acids, the building blocks of life. Hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor provide the energy that fuels the reactions. Scientists believe Enceladus' hydrothermal vents may operate in the same way, supplying energy that leads to the production of amino acids.
"If the conditions are right, these molecules coming from the deep ocean of Enceladus could be on the same reaction pathway as we see here on Earth. We don't yet know if amino acids are needed for life beyond Earth, but finding the molecules that form amino acids is an important piece of the puzzle," said Nozair Khawaja, who led the research team of the Free University of Berlin. His findings were published Oct. 2 in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.
Although the Cassini mission ended in September 2017, the data it provided will be mined for decades. Khawaja's team used data from the spacecraft's Cosmic Dust Analyzer, or CDA, which detected ice grains emitted from Enceladus into Saturn's E ring.

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This illustration shows the process of organic compounds making their way onto ice grains emitted in plumes from Saturn's moon Enceladus, where they were detected by NASA's Cassini spacecraft. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
The scientists used the CDA's mass spectrometer measurements to determine the composition of organic material in the grains.
The identified organics first dissolved in the ocean of Enceladus, then evaporated from the water surface before condensing and freezing onto ice grains inside the fractures in the moon's crust, scientists found. Blown into space with the rising plume emitted through those fractures, the ice grains were then analyzed by Cassini's CDA.
The new findings complement the team's discovery last year of large, insoluble complex organic molecules believed to float on the surface of Enceladus' ocean. The team went deeper with this recent work to find the ingredients, dissolved in the ocean, that are needed for the hydrothermal processes that would spur amino acid formation.
"Here we are finding smaller and soluble organic building blocks—potential precursors for amino acids and other ingredients required for life on Earth," said co-author Jon Hillier.
"This work shows that Enceladus' ocean has reactive building blocks in abundance, and it's another green light in the investigation of the habitability of Enceladus," added co-author Frank Postberg.




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Scientists find evidence of complex organic molecules from Enceladus



[b]More information:[/b] N Khawaja et al. Low-mass nitrogen-, oxygen-bearing, and aromatic compounds in Enceladean ice grains, Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society (2019). DOI: 10.1093/mnras/stz2280
[b]Journal information:[/b] Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society [/url]

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excerpts - more at the link

https://www.space.com/mars-dust-towers-g...ained.html
Massive 'Dust Towers' on Mars Look Like Supersized Versions of Earth's Thunderstorms

Massive dust towers on Mars that formed during global storms 
may be "space elevators" 
that contributed to the loss of the planet's ancient water, 
according to NASA's description of new research.

During a global storm, dust towers "are renewed continuously for weeks,'

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The yellow-white cloud at the bottom center of this image is a "dust tower" on Mars,
as seen by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter on Nov. 30, 2010.

The space agency said that in some cases, 
it observed multiple towers for as long as 3.5 weeks. 
These structures stretch upward, much like thunderstorm clouds do on Earth

That heat also powers dust towers on Mars. 
The dust clouds, described in NASA's statement as "space elevators," 
lift particles of water and dirt that have hitched a ride on the rising dust streamers that create the cloud. 
The updraft carries water vapor and one of its gaseous building blocks, hydrogen, 
up to the planet's upper atmosphere; 
here, in Mars' ancient past, 
these particles may have then evaporated and disappeared from the Red Planet in large quantities.

Researchers called the Red Planet's atmospheric conveyor belt "dusty deep convection."



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The Mars Color Imager (MARCI) camera onboard NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) 

shows the typical state of Mars, 
seen here in May 2018, 
and what the planet looked like during a planet-encircling dust storm in July 2018.

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#47
ULY 30, 2020
Return of the extremely elongated cloud on Mars
[Image: returnofthee.jpg]Credit: ESA/GCP/UPV/EHU Bilbao
A mysteriously long, thin cloud has again appeared over the 20-km-high Arsia Mons volcano on Mars.

A recurrent feature, the cloud is made up of water ice, but despite appearances it is not a plume linked to volcanic activity. Instead, the curious stream forms as airflow is influenced by the volcano's 'leeward' slope − the side that does not face the wind.
These images of the cloud, which can reach up to 1800-km in length, were taken on 17 and 19 July by the Visual Monitoring Camera (VMC) on Mars Express, which has been studying the Red Planet from orbit for the past 16 years.
"We have been investigating this intriguing phenomenon and were expecting to see such a cloud form around now," explains Jorge Hernandez-Bernal, Ph.D. candidate at the University of the Basque Country (Spain) and lead author of the ongoing study.
"This elongated cloud forms every martian year during this season around the southern solstice, and repeats for 80 days or even more, following a rapid daily cycle. However, we don't know yet if the clouds are always quite this impressive".
A martian day, or sol, is slightly longer than an Earth day at 24 hours, 39 minutes and 35 seconds long. A year at the Red Planet consists of 668 sols, approximately 687 days, so the seasons last for twice as long.
The southern solstice is the period of the year when the Sun is in the southernmost position in the martian skies, just like 21 December on Earth. In the early mornings during this period, this fleeting cloud grows for approximately three hours, quickly disappearing again just a few hours later.
Most spacecraft in orbit around the Red Planet tend to observe in the afternoon, however Mars Express is in a privileged position to gather and provide crucial information on this unique effect.
"The extent of this huge cloud can't be seen if your camera only has a narrow field of view, or if you're only observing in the afternoon," says Eleni Ravanis, a Young Graduate Trainee for the Mars Express mission who works specifically for the VMC instrument.
"Luckily for Mars Express, the highly elliptical orbit of the spacecraft, coupled with the wide field of view of the VMC instrument, lets us take pictures covering a wide area of the planet in the early morning. That means we can catch it!"
The Mars Express science team have now named the cloud the Arsia Mons Elongated Cloud, AMEC. So, for how long has it been disappearing and reappearing? Why does it only form in the early morning? Stay tuned as scientists continue to investigate, and we reveal more mysteries from Mars.

https://phys.org/news/2020-07-extremely-...-mars.html
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Hmm2 ......and how come this kind of plume only occurs there?
Will they claim it's merely a "trick of topography, light and shadow"?
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