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Knights Templar redeemed by Vatican documents
700 years the day
Quote:Pope Clement V did not believe they were heretics but that the order should be suppressed for the good of the Church.

October 13th.

errr...sorry Jaques.Nuthin personal.
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The Vatican is about to publish documents that reprieve the Knights Templar, the stormtroopers of the Crusades - from accusations of heresy. The minutes of the trials that led to the disbanding of the order were discovered by chance in the Vatican archives in 2001. The records show that Pope Clement V did not believe they were heretics but that the order should be suppressed for the good of the Church. The Knights' principle accuser was King Philip IV of France, who had borrowed heavily from them to finance his wars. Some historians believe the trials, which began in 1307, were a convenient way of cancelling the debt.

Publicist Rosi Fontana says the Knights were caught in a battle between the Pope and the French King: "They'd' no funds anymore, they had been partly physically destroyed and partly psychologically destroyed. So the order didn't have the ability to re-assemble."

The order was founded in the 12th century to protect Christian pilgrims during the Crusades. But it went into decline in Muslims recaptured the Holy Land at the end of the following century. Until now official Church history had written the Knights off as corrupt heretics.
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a secret letter!

October 16, 2007
British Templars call on Pope to apologise
Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent of The Times

A British order of Templars that claims direct descent from the original Knights Templar is calling on the Pope to apologise after a newly-discovered but ancient Vatican document shows that the knights were absolved of crimes laid against them seven centuries ago.

The charges led to the disbanding of the order and Grand Master Jacques de Molay was burnt at the stake. The Vatican will next week publish a collector's edition of documents on the Knights Templar, the fabulously-wealthy medieval crusading order mentioned in Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code novels and which to this day remains at the centre of numerous Holy Grail conspiracy theories and intrigues.

One of the documents, the Chinon Parchment, shows that in the early 14th century, Pope Clement V's investigation of the order absolved the knights of the heresy charges that led to many of them being tortured and burned.

Ben Acheson, a member of a Templar order based in Hertford which claims direct descent from the original Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon Grand Preceptory, said publication of the documents is a "turning point" but called for Pope Benedict XVI to apologise formally.
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He said: "The word sorry is conspicuous by its absence. But basically, they have said we were absolved, which is an historic admission. For me, that makes it all the more astonishing that the tortures and executions were allowed to continue. For me, that is why the apology is still the missing piece of the puzzle.

Nevertheless, I would like to think that this could be a turning point. After this, I hope we will be able to be more outward facing, less introverted. There are signs of that happening. Others like me are doing what we can to make things move in that direction."

Three years ago the order, which operates out of a PO box address in Hertford, wrote to the Pope formally requesting an apology “for the torture and murder of our leadership”, instigated by Pope Clement V.

“We shall witness the 700th anniversary of the persecution of our order on 13th October 2007,” the letter said “It would be just and fitting for the Vatican to acknowledge our grievance in advance of this day of mourning.”

The Templars were hoping for an apology in the same vein as those made already by the Church for the persecution of Galileo and for the Crusades.

At the time, Ben Acheson's twin brother Tim Acheson, who is descended from the Scottish Acheson family that has established Templar links and whose family lived until recently in Bailey Hall, Hertford, told The Times: “This letter is a serious attempt by a Templar group which traces its roots back to the medieval Order to solicit an apology from the Papacy.”

He added: “The Papacy and the Kingdom of France conspired to destroy the Order for reasons which modern historians judge to be primarily political. Their methods and motives are now universally regarded as brutal, unfair and unjustified.

“The Knights Templar officially ceased to exist in the early 1300s, but the order continued underground. It was a huge organisation and the vast majority of Templars survived the persecution, including most of their leaders, along with much of their treasure and, most importantly, their original values and traditions.”

The Hertford Mercury newspaper has chronicled the crusade for an apology, along with newly-unearthed Templar links with Hertford, including a warren of tunnels beneath the town. At the heart of the maze of tunnels is Hertford Castle, where in 1309 four Templars from Temple Dinsley near Hitchin, were imprisoned after their arrest by Edward II, who believed that they were holding a lost treasure. The treasure was never found.

The Templars captured Jerusalem during the Crusades and were known as “keepers of the Holy Grail”, said to be the cup used at the Last Supper or as the receptacle used by Joseph of Arimathea to catch Christ’s blood as he bled on the Cross, or both.

The Knights Templar were founded by Hugh de Payens, a French knight from the Champagne area of Burgundy, and eight companions in 1118 during the reign of Baldwin II of Jerusalem, when they took a perpetual vow to defend the Christian kingdom. They were assigned quarters next to the Temple. In 1128, they took up the white habit of the Cistercians, adding a red cross. The order knights, sergeants, farmers and chaplains amassed enormous wealth.

Rome is understood to have given the request for an apology serious consideration. Ben Acheson said the Hertford Temple had received a secret letter from the Vatican, but this had not been seen by any except a select few at the top of the order. ... 671684.ece
wasnt that 'nice' of them to do such a thing? Catholicism is a CULT of Paul whom King James made sure was given a lot of room in the 'New Testament' over others writings. Paul aka Saul the Roman. Catholicism is not really Universal, its rather EXCLUSIVE. Much like JPLs cabal. Liars and cheats whose BAD KARMA, has finally caught up with them. The Vatican has declared monetary bankruptcy, where instead,itt should declare MORAL BANKRUPTCY.
'I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space...' Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2
Quote:wasnt that 'nice' of them to do such a thing? Catholicism is a CULT of Paul whom King James made sure was given a lot of room in the 'New Testament' over others writings. Paul aka Saul the Roman. Catholicism is not really Universal, its rather EXCLUSIVE. Much like JPLs cabal. Liars and cheats whose BAD KARMA, has finally caught up with them. The Vatican has declared monetary bankruptcy, where instead,itt should declare MORAL BANKRUPTCY.

I actually think it's even more rotten at the core than that, if you can believe it.

I never cease to be amazed by the church, could anyone's behavior be further from the few surviving teaching from their 'savior', Jesus, than the Pope himself?

Just how hard is it to live like he does and pontificate to others about how they should behave?

My brother does a great job of that at 32 living in my mother's basement having never moved out, he's an arrogant blow hard with all the answers who apparently thinks it's his duty to tell everyone else how to live while he himself ignores every word he ever says.

Reminds me of the Pope actually, but i wonder, does that say more about my brother or the Pope?
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards...
Very interesting early history of the Knights Templar:

"The Hiram Key Revisited"
by Christopher Knight & Alan Butler  (2010)
Quote:Chapter 5: The Sleepers Awake

The Search for the Temple Treasures

Three years later, the circle of Star Families selected the man who would be charged with the task of leading the team to find the Essene treasures and scrolls beneath the Temple ruins. He was Hugues de Payen, a cousin of Hugues, count of Champagne, who held lands within the French city of Troyes. Hugues de Payen had fought in the First Crusade, most probably in the vanguard of Godfrey of Bouillon's force.

In 1104, the count of Champagne held a meeting in Troyes at which Hugues de Payen is known to have been present along with some fellow veterans of the battle for Jerusalem, including a knight called Andre de Montbard. (Andre's 14-year-old nephew, Bernard, was destined to become one of the most influential people of all time.) It is likely that members of the new Cistercian order were also present, owing to their close interest in the project to recover the treasures.

Exactly what was discussed at this meeting is not recorded, but within weeks Count Hugues was on his way to Jerusalem together with Hugues de Payen and Andre de Montbard. Hugues de Payen remained there for four years before he returned to Troyes. What he was doing for all that time is not known for certain, but the events that follow strongly suggest that he may have been carefully surveying the gigantic platform on which the Jerusalem Temple had once stood.

That nothing happened for the next ten years must have been due to a political and religious gridlock. There were two people with the power to block the planned excavation: King Baldwin I of Jerusalem, the brother and successor of Godfrey of Bouillon, and Pope Paschal II, who had succeeded Urban II shortly after the capture of Jerusalem in 1099.

The pope himself almost certainly had little to do with the delay, because most of his time and effort were spent trying to fend off the German dynasty of the Holy Roman Empire under Henry V. Having forced the abdication of the existing emperor, in 1111 Henry compelled Paschal II to crown him emperor in Rome. This was achieved only after he had thrown the aging pontiff into prison and then fought off an attempted rescue by the Normans. The pope's difficulties with the emperor did not ease and he died on 21 January 1118.

If Baldwin of Jerusalem was blocking the excavation, he must have also been watching his back very carefully. He is certain to have required reliable and trustworthy food tasters to avoid being dispatched by Star Family members who wished to see more rapid progress. In the event, Baldwin survived the pope by barely two months. On 2 April 1118, Baldwin died on a visit to Egypt after eating a meal of fish freshly caught in the River Nile. Whether it was a bad fish or whether someone had added something lethal to the meal we will never know, but it is clear that his demise opened up the way for Hugues de Payen and his team.

The news of Baldwin's demise had barely reached Europe when Hugues de Payen and an entourage of eight other knights left Troyes once more and set out on the dusty roads to the east. Their avowed intention - at least according to one later chronicler, William of Tyre - was to form a brotherhood that would guard the roads from the coast of the Levant to Jerusalem, in order to safeguard the passage of pilgrims to and from the Holy Sites. However, such a small force of middle-aged knights would have been totally unable to fulfil such a remit - and in any case they did nothing of the sort.

The men involved are recorded as being: Hugues de Payen, Andre de Montbard, Geoffroi de St Omer, Payen de Montdidier, Achambaud de St Amand, Geoffroi Bisol, Gondemare, Rosal and Godfroi. Where the points of origin of the original knights is known, they can be shown to be of Champagne extraction, with the exception of the Payen de Montdidier and Achambaud de St Amand, who were from Flanders.

Baldwin I, the late king of Jerusalem, had had no sons and had been replaced on the throne of Jerusalem by his cousin, Baldwin II. King Baldwin II was from the Ardennes, an area whose rulers had blood ties to Champagne, and he was apparently fully supportive of the plan to excavate below the Temple.

The nine knights camped on the part of the ruined Temple known as 'Solomon's Stables', where they remained for nine years thanks to the direct financial and logistical support of Baldwin II. Hugues de Payen and his team quickly began digging massive workings, often tunnelling through solid rock.

Seven and a half centuries later, another group of people decided to investigate beneath the Temple Mount. In 1867, a British Army expedition led by Lieutenant Warren of the Royal Engineers began to cut their way downwards under the giant platform of the Mount.1 All they discovered was a maze of tunnels left by the small band of Star Family excavators. A number of artefacts identified as belonging to Hugues de Payen's group were recovered by the British engineers and are now kept in Edinburgh.

How much Hugues's team knew about the layout below ground we cannot know, but they must have known that their first task was to locate the Copper Scroll. This document, inscribed on metal, must surely count as the most fabulous treasure map ever created. Two Copper Scrolls were created by the Star Families at the time of the holy war against the Romans in AD 66-70. The 'junior' version was found at Qumran in 1952 amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls and was opened three years later to be read for the first time in nearly two millennia. This scroll states that at least 24 important scrolls were secreted beneath the Temple Mount along with vast treasures and a second, more detailed, copy of the Copper Scroll. It states:

"In the pit adjoining on the north in a hole opening northwards, and buried at its mouth: a copy of this document, with an explanation and their measurements, and an inventory of each thing, and other things."

A total of 61 locations are described and the precious items listed. The late John Allegro, a passionate and objective Dead Sea Scroll scholar, recorded his amazement when he realized what the document contained:

"As word after word became plain, and the import of the whole document inescapable, I could hardly believe my eyes ... the Qumran caves had produced the biggest surprise of all — an inventory of sacred treasure, of gold, silver, and jars of consecrated offerings, as well as sacred vessels of all types..."

John Allegro also explained the purpose of the Copper Scroll:

"The Copper Scroll and its copy (or copies) were intended to tell the Jewish survivors of the war then raging where this sacred material lay buried, so that if any should be found, it would never be desecrated by profane use. It would also act as a guide to the recovery of the treasure."

It seems doubtful that any of the people involved in burying these documents and treasures could have ever imagined that it would take their descendants more than 1,000 years to return for them. But return they did.

The Copper Scroll led Hugues and his party to their treasures. For example, one entry reads:

"In the inner chamber of the twin pillars supporting the arch of the double gate, facing east, in the entrance, buried at three cubits, hidden there is a pitcher, in it, one scroll, under it forty-two talents.
In the cistern, which is nineteen cubits in front of the eastern gateway, in it are vessels, and in the hollow that is in it: ten talents.
In the Court of [illegible], nine cubits under the southern corner: gold and silver vessels for tithe, sprinkling basins, cups, sacrificial bowls. Libation vessels, in all six hundred and nine."

The nine knights must have found their scrolls, vast amounts of money and cartloads of gold and silver artefacts. Their success was such that in 1125, Hugues, count of Champagne suddenly renounced his titles in Champagne, sailed to Jerusalem and put himself under the guiding hand of Hugues de Payen. The count had formerly been Hugues de Payen's liege lord, and such a total reversal of their roles was an unprecedented action in feudal Europe.

There is another source of evidence that gives a description of the excavations carried out to recover the ancient documents and treasures beneath the ruined Temple. And, strangely, that account comes from the rituals of Freemasonry, which we will deal with presently.

The Knights Templar: Soldiers of Yahweh

Having completed their allotted task, this small band of treasure-hunters in Jerusalem turned themselves into a military order of monks. With the help of their Cistercian brothers back in Europe, they also adopted a white mantle (later to bear a red cross on the front). Again with the help of the Cistercians, they devised their formal title 'Pauperes Commilitones Christi Templique Salomonis', normally translated into English as 'The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon'. But they are usually known by a shorter title  - the Knights Templar.

The longer title seems entirely Christian at first view -  but it is nothing of the kind. Every Christian quite naturally assumes that the term 'Christ' refers to Jesus - but of course it does not. As we have seen (see page 32) the word is from the Greek khristos (`anointed'), and is a translation of Hebrew word 'messiah' (mashiach) - literally one who is 'smeared with oils' as a mark of Jewish kingship. 'Christ' is a title, not the name of any one individual, so the order's title does not refer specifically to Jesus but to John the Baptist and James or anyone else who was to lead the Jewish priests and their people to a new world order. At that time it perhaps even applied to Baldwin II, the king of Jerusalem. In fact history would show that the Knights Templar, as representatives of the Star Families and therefore Ebionites, ultimately showed far more reverence for John the Baptist, as the founder of their sect, rather than his successor, Jesus. This heightens our suspicion that the entire order, or at least its leaders, thought of John as the original Christ or Messiah - and not Jesus.

We can be sure that the Knights Templar intended the words to have this meaning, because they describe themselves as 'Poor Fellow-Soldiers of the Messiah'. The use of the term 'fellow-soldiers' (commilitones) implies that they saw themselves as equals with this person, rather than his 'followers. One would have expected any normal Christian monks to simply describe themselves as 'Poor Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon'. The word 'fellow' subtly changes the import. Fortunately, it appeared that nobody questioned precisely what the Temple of Solomon had to do with Jesus Christ. Solomon's Temple has no direct connection to Jesus Christ, according to the Christian canon. In any case, the Templars had been based very close to King Baldwin's palace in Jerusalem, so it also appeared that their name could, in part at least, have merely originated in the location of their headquarters in the Holy City.

The world was fooled. No one noticed that the title the new order took was intended to celebrate the Star Families' mission, ordained by King Solomon, to create the New Jerusalem that had been promised for centuries. The 'Children of Israel' - the real army of Yahweh - were on the march again.

Quote:The nine knights must have found their scrolls...
I wonder if this was what was removed from under Rosslyn Chapel when they were 'replacing the stairs' circa 1997:
Laird St. Clair was reportedly more despondent about losing the contents of one chest than anything/anyone else during a castle fire in pre- Rosslyn Chapel days. Fortunately for him, a courageous monk had carted it out...
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